I'll leave it to the individual to decide whether I'm referring to the footie, the Labour Party, the Referendum, the after effect thereof, all of the above.
I'm Scottish. I was disappointed in the EU referendum result - but - I have no difficulty in seeing things from all sides and am not surprised at all by the result, the reasons why voters placed their votes for either Remain or Leave - and I am least surprised by what we are now witnessing being played out both by the media and by events in Westminster. Particularly today when statements were made both by the Prime Minister and most particularly by leading Brexit personalities who now are declaring that the closest relationship possible with the EU must be established, little different from what existed and not suprisingly the same personalities now declaring that it would be unfair not to accept the free movement of people if the UK is given a 'good deal'. Emphasis was also made that the UK would of course be taking up freely now the ambition for much expanded deals with China and India.
I don't believe it is wise to talk detailed politics or perhaps even polite to discuss these things on a gardening forum. But, it is very worth looking on youtube to David Cameron's speech to the British Chambers of Commerce in Jan or Feb 2015 where he pretty much lays out his ambition for TTIP as 'the big one' with the intention of persuading the EU to adopt it along with doing away with diplomatic sanctions and tariffs to 'get those deal signed' with China and Asian markets. Then read the 2014/15 book published by Owen Jones 'The Establishment and How It Gets Away With It'. This tells you how the country is governed and who by and what the ambitions of specific political parties are. The last thing, if you can stomach such seriousness is to look again at the tv footage of David Cameron the day after the Scottish Referendum and the shock to even his own Better Together colleagues when he announced English Votes for English Laws.
If you can be bothered to put these together - you will see how cleverly it has - amidst the seeming drama in Westminster today which was calm as a flat ocean - how all would seem to have pretty much worked out as Mr Cameron desired in 2015 - including the getting rid of Mr Corbyn who wishes to protect what remains of public services.
It's incredibly sad but remarkable that everyone today in Westminster seemed jollier than one might have expected.
yarrow2 says:all would seem to have pretty much worked out as Mr Cameron desired in 2015 - including the getting rid of Mr Corbyn who wishes to protect what remains of public services.See original post
I don't see why Cameron, or the Tory party in general, would want to get rid of Corbyn. He's the greatest gift they have been handed in many a year. As long as he's leading Labour they don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected.
Quite right Runnybeak - and as I posted on facebook earlier, "And the referendum result continues to rage on Gardners World forum - is nothing sacred?"
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Complete and utter shambles.
I'll leave it to the individual to decide whether I'm referring to the footie, the Labour Party, the Referendum, the after effect thereof, all of the above.
I'm thinking of the Chinese curse:
'May you live in interesting times.'
I felt a little more comfortable when it was boring.
I'm Scottish. I was disappointed in the EU referendum result - but - I have no difficulty in seeing things from all sides and am not surprised at all by the result, the reasons why voters placed their votes for either Remain or Leave - and I am least surprised by what we are now witnessing being played out both by the media and by events in Westminster. Particularly today when statements were made both by the Prime Minister and most particularly by leading Brexit personalities who now are declaring that the closest relationship possible with the EU must be established, little different from what existed and not suprisingly the same personalities now declaring that it would be unfair not to accept the free movement of people if the UK is given a 'good deal'. Emphasis was also made that the UK would of course be taking up freely now the ambition for much expanded deals with China and India.
I don't believe it is wise to talk detailed politics or perhaps even polite to discuss these things on a gardening forum. But, it is very worth looking on youtube to David Cameron's speech to the British Chambers of Commerce in Jan or Feb 2015 where he pretty much lays out his ambition for TTIP as 'the big one' with the intention of persuading the EU to adopt it along with doing away with diplomatic sanctions and tariffs to 'get those deal signed' with China and Asian markets. Then read the 2014/15 book published by Owen Jones 'The Establishment and How It Gets Away With It'. This tells you how the country is governed and who by and what the ambitions of specific political parties are. The last thing, if you can stomach such seriousness is to look again at the tv footage of David Cameron the day after the Scottish Referendum and the shock to even his own Better Together colleagues when he announced English Votes for English Laws.
If you can be bothered to put these together - you will see how cleverly it has - amidst the seeming drama in Westminster today which was calm as a flat ocean - how all would seem to have pretty much worked out as Mr Cameron desired in 2015 - including the getting rid of Mr Corbyn who wishes to protect what remains of public services.
It's incredibly sad but remarkable that everyone today in Westminster seemed jollier than one might have expected.
I don't see why Cameron, or the Tory party in general, would want to get rid of Corbyn. He's the greatest gift they have been handed in many a year. As long as he's leading Labour they don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ikd7A2VuHs&feature=youtu.be
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Quite right Runnybeak - and as I posted on facebook earlier, "And the referendum result continues to rage on Gardners World forum - is nothing sacred?"
Omni-shambles, and not just the football.
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
After the footy I had a text from a friend which read "That's twice we've come out of Europe in a week. At least we had a vote the first time"
Let us not forget that " Wales " have got through to next stage in Euro foote
On the allotment I have both Welsh and English flags
must look out for Euro flags as I bet they will be cheap now
Would like yo be fly on the wall when Cameron meets the other Euro levaders ?