I have to say this thread really has thrown up some horrors.
I was born in 1962. When I was 19 I bought my first flat for 1.5 times my salary . I left school with 6 o levels and worked in a garden centre.
How many 19 year olds can buy a flat?
When I left school I didn't go to university , but if I had , it'd have been free.
To talk about " the spoon fed generation" is totally disingenuous.
My 26 year old daughter left Glasgow University with a very good degree, worked cleaning hotel rooms and volunteering at a soup kitchen during Uni ( hardly spoon fed ) . Left with over £20,000 "tuition fee" debt and last weekend moved into a room, yes A ROOM in a shared house which is costing her £795 a month.
Maybe if some of my fellow old wrinklies opened their eyes, they'd realise just how lucky WE were.
I'd not swap with my daughter's generation and I'm sure Wonky and many of hers would gladly have what WE did at her age.
When I left school , women could claim their pension at 60. How old will my daughters be before they can claim theirs?
Do you call it lucky that women weren't encouraged to have a career? It was much more like "just get a nice little job until you get married, dear" and teaching or nursing were seen by the majority as the only so-called "professional" jobs open to women. It wasn't just a "glass ceiling" - it was more like a cellar!
The age of pension entitlement was based on the average life-span of the population then - not now.
If a woman worked in a bank, for instance, when she got married she had to leave. Yes - fact - it happened to somebody I knew then. What triggered "Women's Lib "? - it was things like that.
As far as property/prices etc are concerned, the causes of the rise are many - and much of it is based on the banks etc who want to lend more than is often a sensible amount in order to increase their own share of the business. A house is only worth what somebody will actually pay for it - and if people are encouraged and allowed to borrow more than is wise they will use this to offer more.
Some of it is also down to the social changes we've seen - nowadays people don't continue to live with their parents and save until they can afford to buy a home of their own, No - they want their own independence before than can really afford to pay for it. I know that these days working people have to adjust to being more "mobile" geographically than used to be the case, but what really annoys me is the way that some people seem to feel they are entitled to almost everything, rather than having aspirations and ambitions and the patience and motivation to see things through.
We have seen the result "shock and awe" I thought that was Iraq, though it does seem to have brought out the worst in some cases on this board thread. Us oldies who never had it so good or so we were told and now being told again worked long and hard for what we have now and yet we need to bank roll our Grandchildren because over many governments things have got worse and not better, some of it down to the Common market, mostly down to mismanagement by our rulers. We oldies did not all vote for exit, yet are all tarred with the same brush by some. I say grow up as my last comment on this thread, I am not even going to read anymore of it.
I don't post on here these days, following unpleasantness some time back. However, I have been following this thread which has been informative quite humourous up until a couple of days ago. Today, one poster made my blood boil when he made the following comment:
Maybe if some of my fellow old wrinklies opened their eyes, they'd realise just how lucky WE were.
I am spitting feathers as this remark. We struggled to save a deposit for our house and found it difficult to obtain a mortgage because of my OH's low income. Women's salary wasn't taken into account in 1965. We had nothing, no carpets, old 3 piece suite and a bed. Took 8 years to get a home together, all done by saving until we could afford it. My OH was made redundant for the third time in 1989 and never found another job as he was classed as 'too old'. I returned to work and my leaving salary at the age of 67 was £16,000 per annum.Never had foreign holidays, etc.
So please don't tell me and my generation that we were 'lucky'. How insulting.
Finally, like Frank, who went along with his grandson, I went along with my 21 year old grandson and 3 children, 43, 41 and 36 respectively in voting leave. It is going to be their world not mine.
Hi guys, if you'd like this thread to remain open, can we try to keep this thread civil? It's very off-putting for other members of the forum. Appreciate political threads provoke strong opinions, but let's try to keep level-heads... Thanks!
That happens when people vote for personalities rather than policies! It's clear to me that - as I'd expect - there will have been far more back-room negotiating than the journos want us to think about. i.e. "I wasn't there, so I didn't hear it" - so it's not brought to our attention, other than gossip which we can choose whether or not to believe.
My guess is that Boris is looking further ahead than the next few years, as far as his own political future is concerned. We also don't know whether or not there's something they've "locked up" as regards his own history, and he's decided he'd better get out of the limelight.
I don't really want to hear about their personal battles, I just want things to settle down and I'm prepared to wait and see. .................... I'm quite accustomed to doing that!.
What's interesting to me is that the Tories seem rather better than the Labour Party at negotiating between themselves, and that might prove to be a good thing, in other ways, in the end.
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I have to say this thread really has thrown up some horrors.
I was born in 1962. When I was 19 I bought my first flat for 1.5 times my salary . I left school with 6 o levels and worked in a garden centre.
How many 19 year olds can buy a flat?
When I left school I didn't go to university , but if I had , it'd have been free.
To talk about " the spoon fed generation" is totally disingenuous.
My 26 year old daughter left Glasgow University with a very good degree, worked cleaning hotel rooms and volunteering at a soup kitchen during Uni ( hardly spoon fed ) . Left with over £20,000 "tuition fee" debt and last weekend moved into a room, yes A ROOM in a shared house which is costing her £795 a month.
Maybe if some of my fellow old wrinklies opened their eyes, they'd realise just how lucky WE were.
I'd not swap with my daughter's generation and I'm sure Wonky and many of hers would gladly have what WE did at her age.
When I left school , women could claim their pension at 60. How old will my daughters be before they can claim theirs?
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Do you call it lucky that women weren't encouraged to have a career? It was much more like "just get a nice little job until you get married, dear" and teaching or nursing were seen by the majority as the only so-called "professional" jobs open to women. It wasn't just a "glass ceiling" - it was more like a cellar!
The age of pension entitlement was based on the average life-span of the population then - not now.
If a woman worked in a bank, for instance, when she got married she had to leave. Yes - fact - it happened to somebody I knew then. What triggered "Women's Lib "? - it was things like that.
As far as property/prices etc are concerned, the causes of the rise are many - and much of it is based on the banks etc who want to lend more than is often a sensible amount in order to increase their own share of the business. A house is only worth what somebody will actually pay for it - and if people are encouraged and allowed to borrow more than is wise they will use this to offer more.
Some of it is also down to the social changes we've seen - nowadays people don't continue to live with their parents and save until they can afford to buy a home of their own, No - they want their own independence before than can really afford to pay for it. I know that these days working people have to adjust to being more "mobile" geographically than used to be the case, but what really annoys me is the way that some people seem to feel they are entitled to almost everything, rather than having aspirations and ambitions and the patience and motivation to see things through.
We have seen the result "shock and awe" I thought that was Iraq, though it does seem to have brought out the worst in some cases on this board thread. Us oldies who never had it so good or so we were told and now being told again worked long and hard for what we have now and yet we need to bank roll our Grandchildren because over many governments things have got worse and not better, some of it down to the Common market, mostly down to mismanagement by our rulers. We oldies did not all vote for exit, yet are all tarred with the same brush by some. I say grow up as my last comment on this thread, I am not even going to read anymore of it.
Back to gardening.
Frank.
My point is to say one generation had/ has it all easy and that another had/ has it all hard is just nonsense.
I don't post on here these days, following unpleasantness some time back. However, I have been following this thread which has been informative quite humourous up until a couple of days ago. Today, one poster made my blood boil when he made the following comment:
Maybe if some of my fellow old wrinklies opened their eyes, they'd realise just how lucky WE were.
I am spitting feathers as this remark. We struggled to save a deposit for our house and found it difficult to obtain a mortgage because of my OH's low income. Women's salary wasn't taken into account in 1965. We had nothing, no carpets, old 3 piece suite and a bed. Took 8 years to get a home together, all done by saving until we could afford it. My OH was made redundant for the third time in 1989 and never found another job as he was classed as 'too old'. I returned to work and my leaving salary at the age of 67 was £16,000 per annum.Never had foreign holidays, etc.
So please don't tell me and my generation that we were 'lucky'. How insulting.
Finally, like Frank, who went along with his grandson, I went along with my 21 year old grandson and 3 children, 43, 41 and 36 respectively in voting leave. It is going to be their world not mine.
I am sure I will be shot down in flames for this, but here goes anyway.
Quite rightly, myself and other REMAINERS have been told we should just accept the result, and get on with things.
Does this still hold, if there is clear evidence, that the leading BREXITEER, who many claim was the reason they voted out, is shown to be a liar??
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
Hi guys, if you'd like this thread to remain open, can we try to keep this thread civil? It's very off-putting for other members of the forum. Appreciate political threads provoke strong opinions, but let's try to keep level-heads... Thanks!
That happens when people vote for personalities rather than policies! It's clear to me that - as I'd expect - there will have been far more back-room negotiating than the journos want us to think about. i.e. "I wasn't there, so I didn't hear it" - so it's not brought to our attention, other than gossip which we can choose whether or not to believe.
My guess is that Boris is looking further ahead than the next few years, as far as his own political future is concerned. We also don't know whether or not there's something they've "locked up" as regards his own history, and he's decided he'd better get out of the limelight.
I don't really want to hear about their personal battles, I just want things to settle down and I'm prepared to wait and see. .................... I'm quite accustomed to doing that!.
What's interesting to me is that the Tories seem rather better than the Labour Party at negotiating between themselves, and that might prove to be a good thing, in other ways, in the end.
Results of presidential election in Austria, have just been annulled.
A precedent?
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border