I have yet to hear any Brexit supporter provide me with a sensible reason why they voted out. Always bloody 'immigrants'. Do they not realise the 'immigrants' against whom they show so much disdain will still come here with us out of the EU? The only people this effects are the immigrants who they would probably approve of (no matter how wrong that may be) - doctors, nurses, scientists
I would suggest that many (maybe a majority) of those who voted OUT do not have any problem with immigration per-se. The problem is with uncontrolled immigration, which is what we currently have from the EU, and which is only likely to get worse when additional countries join. As has rightly been mentioned, we do need immigration, always have and always will. I have no disdain for immigrants.
Along with that we need the right to determine who can and cannot come to this country. If there is a need for skilled labour (and I emphasise 'skilled') then allow them to come, as every civilized country does.
I believe the second major reason for voting OUT is to escape the profligacy of the EU machine. The £350 million per day figure is totally inaccurate, but even if the net figure was a quarter of that, the money is better retained with local control. How anybody can support a system which shifts its headquarters for a few days every month is beyond me.
Thats the problem Obelisk hardly anyone did any real research. To quote one brexit voter on the TV after being asked what he thought would happen now the UK was out of Europe 'well it will just sort itself out wont it'
Obelixx - funnily enough, I did take the trouble to research many of the areas of contention with regard to the EU. I took nothing for granted. I assumed that there were areas that warranted further research, I reread many of the documents that I had saved from my Salad Days when I was actively promoting the merits of the (then) European Economic Community. I contacted my MEPs. I read extensively. I appear to have been in a minority.
Whatever (as the young are wont to say)
I felt I had done all that I could to make an informed choice. I voted. I looked to the future. I shan't be here - my bed of daisies awaits. But for my son, for future generations, I made a decision honestly and from the heart.
I resent being treated as a half-wit, a pariah, a bigot. I did not (and never have) take my voting decision lightly. For the record, I have never, ever missed an election: I have a hard-won right to vote - an obligation to vote. And I always do.
It's a democracy. Those who didn't vote can't complain.
Slightly more than half of those who voted voted out, the rest in. The reasons why are likely to have been shaped by individual circumstances and experiences, and that should be respected. I don't see why this should degenerate into a slagging off contest. We lost some valuable members of the forum last time, they are missed.
Crikey Lou - is it still as vile as it was this morning? I dread to look!
My son mistakenly saw a valedictory post with a Union Flag, commented on it and went to work. What he hadn't realised was that it was from the organisation "Briton First". Once he realised, he couldn't get back on FB to distance himself from them.
Unfortunately, the situation that we are now in encourages the outrageous and the disaffected.
Who was it said "Stop the World, I want to get off"? I'm with them LOL
Normally I would agree, but in this instance not voting wasn't necessarily because people didn't care.
There was so much spin, exaggeration and downright lying going on I suspect many people didn't feel they had enough accurate information to work with to make an informed decision.
It is still raging shrinking violet I dare not go back in there and be piggy in the middle. People are unfriending people who didn't vote their way and it's gone silly.
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I would suggest that many (maybe a majority) of those who voted OUT do not have any problem with immigration per-se. The problem is with uncontrolled immigration, which is what we currently have from the EU, and which is only likely to get worse when additional countries join. As has rightly been mentioned, we do need immigration, always have and always will. I have no disdain for immigrants.
Along with that we need the right to determine who can and cannot come to this country. If there is a need for skilled labour (and I emphasise 'skilled') then allow them to come, as every civilized country does.
I believe the second major reason for voting OUT is to escape the profligacy of the EU machine. The £350 million per day figure is totally inaccurate, but even if the net figure was a quarter of that, the money is better retained with local control. How anybody can support a system which shifts its headquarters for a few days every month is beyond me.
It isn't hard to find info to show that the over-crowded south east and London area contributes most in taxes to the UK economy.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/464199/HMRC_disaggregated_receipts_-_Methodology_Note.pdf
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/428961/Income_Tax_Liabilities_Statistics_May_2015.pdf
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/9783725/Taxes-from-London-and-south-east-propping-up-economy.html
http://www.isitfair.co.uk/reports/public/oe%20ukpublicfinance.pdf
Ditto the fact that the north east, Scotland and Wales receive a disproportionate amount of tax spending per head of population.
file:///C:/Users/Sarah/Downloads/SN04033%20(11).pdf
Don't tell me you didn't bother researching all this stuff and making sure you were properly informed before voting.
Thats the problem Obelisk hardly anyone did any real research. To quote one brexit voter on the TV after being asked what he thought would happen now the UK was out of Europe 'well it will just sort itself out wont it'
Obelixx - funnily enough, I did take the trouble to research many of the areas of contention with regard to the EU. I took nothing for granted. I assumed that there were areas that warranted further research, I reread many of the documents that I had saved from my Salad Days
when I was actively promoting the merits of the (then) European Economic Community. I contacted my MEPs. I read extensively. I appear to have been in a minority.
Whatever (as the young are wont to say)
I felt I had done all that I could to make an informed choice. I voted. I looked to the future. I shan't be here - my bed of daisies awaits. But for my son, for future generations, I made a decision honestly and from the heart.
I resent being treated as a half-wit, a pariah, a bigot. I did not (and never have) take my voting decision lightly. For the record, I have never, ever missed an election: I have a hard-won right to vote - an obligation to vote. And I always do.
I wondered if I dared to stick my head above the parapet - the war on facebook is still raging :-D
It's a democracy. Those who didn't vote can't complain.
Slightly more than half of those who voted voted out, the rest in. The reasons why are likely to have been shaped by individual circumstances and experiences, and that should be respected. I don't see why this should degenerate into a slagging off contest. We lost some valuable members of the forum last time, they are missed.
Time to respect others opinions and move on.
Crikey Lou - is it still as vile as it was this morning? I dread to look!
My son mistakenly saw a valedictory post with a Union Flag, commented on it and went to work. What he hadn't realised was that it was from the organisation "Briton First". Once he realised, he couldn't get back on FB to distance himself from them.
Unfortunately, the situation that we are now in encourages the outrageous and the disaffected.
Who was it said "Stop the World, I want to get off"? I'm with them LOL
Normally I would agree, but in this instance not voting wasn't necessarily because people didn't care.
There was so much spin, exaggeration and downright lying going on I suspect many people didn't feel they had enough accurate information to work with to make an informed decision.
Maybe we should have three boxes.
One to remain, one to leave, and the third for confused and don't know.
Or the green option. Talk to your spouse. If he is voting in, and you are voting out, both stay at home and save the petrol.
It is still raging shrinking violet I dare not go back in there and be piggy in the middle. People are unfriending people who didn't vote their way and it's gone silly.