I do wish you could read the article I referred to. The writer accuses Wrinklies of being selfish and by voting to leave the UK will have ruined his future. They are "wrong about everything" and should not have been allowed to vote because they won't be around to face the consequences of their voting decision.
The writer is The Times' Food Critic. I'm not really sure whether or not the article I'm referring to is meant to be ironic. It doesn't come across as that to me though, so perhaps he'd better stick to writing about fancy food!
I see that most of the Labour shadow cabinet has resigned, and there are calls for the president of the Eu to resign, because they were so hard on us. I think that the aftershocks to the earthquake are still happening. German car manufacturers have said they still want a free trade deal with us. Of course they do. That's all we voted for in 1975. We did not vote for a United states of Europe.
As someone said on question time last night...
The peasants are revolting and have just given the politicians a bloody nose. Now what are they going to do about it?
All I see at the moment is a lot of headless chickens, scared for their jobs.
I see that the sum total of yearly pensions that the Kinnock seniors will get, is more than most people could hope to have as a total pension pot in their lifetime. Bet they won't be helping the Welsh steel workers though. Kinnock junior has just resigned his position in the shadow opposition, distancing himself from Corbyn.
Philippa - I am not intending to patronise, just to look above the immediate horizon. The UK is still a member of the EEA which requires members to adopt EU rules for the free movement of persons, goods, services and capital within the EU so, on the face of it, not a lot will change as far as trade and EU immigration are concerned.
Brexit negotiations may change that. Germany will, of course, want to continue trading with the UK but bear in mind that following the VW emissions scandal their UK sales figures are down 20% and US sales figures down 25% so they won't want to encourage competition from the UK car industry. French car manufacturing is suffering from a combination of over capacity and falling sales so they will want to protect their industry.
British car manufacturing has been increasing in recent years but 4 out of 5 cars made in the UK are exported and the biggest market is Europe following recent falls in sales to India and China. If the EU gets sticky on trade terms UK car manufacturing may just end up with falling sales, falling production, job losses and maybe foreign companies like Nissan ceasing to invest in the UK and relocating to mainland Europe - ironic as it is a major employer in an otherwise depressed Sunderland economy.
Investment banks are already moving jobs and operations to Dublin, Frankfurt and Paris. I shall continue to watch economic and political developments with interest.
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"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
Doghouse Riley, tell me about it, when I retired finally I was already in a fracas with the Tax Office over calling my Pension unearned income, writing erudite letters to them explaining I had worked for every half penny of it. The trouble was English as she is spoke had not been part of their curriculum. you are already getting pensions that incur tax this is extra money that can only be explained as unearned??? My next letter contained some really old English words which they would at least know the meaning of as you heard it every day as they came home from school smoking their lives away. They then set a rate which I did pay being the good citizen I am and at the next accounting was told I had paid too much, did they send me a cheque? No, they altered my code, next year it turned out I owed them money and so it went on for five years until feeling somewhat abused I went over the local office heads and guess what? they sent me a check corrected my code and so it has been ad infinitum, my eye's water every year when I get the tax return.
The youngsters think all old people live off the state and they have to work to keep them, that is far from true having never had one Government hand out myself I know few who have, most live on pensions they had to work for, insurances (something that appears to have died out) though we took them as normal a way to ease things for the children when we took off to the big parade ground in the sky, they also think we cause all the car accidents by obeying the traffic rules stopping them doing their Lewis Hamilton impersonations. I am ranting? Rant over.
What now I ask what will rise from the Witches cauldron of politics now? we will see, one certainty we will definitely pay.
Obelixx, a very good assessment and very true apart from the labour costs in Europe at the moment are higher than the UK, if they do move manufacturing it will be to one of the Satelite Countries, Sunderland Nissan is part of Renault because of the wage and pension structure in France. When large industries move you have to put in place all the supply chain and most use a demand system where the parts arrive at the moment they are to be used no one stores parts these days, this is a vast and well organised system which would take some moving. There are many ifs and buts no one knows though firms like Hitachi who have built a multi million pound factory in Durham are not going to upsticks in a hurry.
There will be turmoil upset and false starts as we change track, in a few years those of us still here will wonder what the fuss was about,my worry is that half of the population at the moment hates the other half because of the way they voted, the political picture will change, I only hope that the dissidents groups do not manage to grab power in the aftermath.
Boris Johnson says the UK will continue to "intensify" co-operation with the EU following the country's vote to leave. The leading pro-Leave campaigner said exit supporters must accept the 52-48 result was "not entirely overwhelming". Writing in Monday's Daily Telegraph, Mr Johnson dismissed Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon's call for a second independence referendum saying there was little "appetite" for one. It came as Jeremy Corbyn said he would stand in any Labour leadership contest. Eleven members of the shadow front bench resigned on Sunday following the sacking of shadow foreign secretary Hilary Benn, who told Mr Corbyn he had lost confidence in him. In his first words since accepting the result of the EU referendum on Friday, Mr Johnson wrote that "the only change" would be to free the UK from the EU's "extraordinary and opaque" law, which "will not come in any great rush". 'Single market access' His column said: "I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be. "There will still be intense and intensifying European co-operation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment. "EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU. "British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI - the BDI - has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market. "The only change - and it will not come in any great rush - is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU's extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal."
The UK is still a member of the EEA which requires members to adopt EU rules for the free movement of persons, goods, services and capital within the EU so, on the face of it, not a lot will change as far as trade and EU immigration are concerned.
My understanding is that although being a member of th EEA requires agreement to free movement of people, we would no longer have to treat persons from the EU in the same way as UK nationals for benefit purposes. The concessions 'won' by Cameron were only short term, intended to shut the public up (and clearly failed miserably to do so). If migrants without employment were unable to get money, or any other benefits, they would be far less likely to come here in the first place. The UK has been seen as a soft touch because benefit payments are so much higher than they would receive in their home country.
Those coming here to a job would still be able to come.
We wouldn't be forced to implement EU directives either, if all we sign up for is a trade related agreement.
From what we see recently, only the Germans and French have any clout anyway so would it make any difference if the other countries didn't understand what was going on?
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I do wish you could read the article I referred to. The writer accuses Wrinklies of being selfish and by voting to leave the UK will have ruined his future. They are "wrong about everything" and should not have been allowed to vote because they won't be around to face the consequences of their voting decision.
The writer is The Times' Food Critic. I'm not really sure whether or not the article I'm referring to is meant to be ironic. It doesn't come across as that to me though, so perhaps he'd better stick to writing about fancy food!
I see that most of the Labour shadow cabinet has resigned, and there are calls for the president of the Eu to resign, because they were so hard on us. I think that the aftershocks to the earthquake are still happening. German car manufacturers have said they still want a free trade deal with us. Of course they do. That's all we voted for in 1975. We did not vote for a United states of Europe.
As someone said on question time last night...
The peasants are revolting and have just given the politicians a bloody nose. Now what are they going to do about it?
All I see at the moment is a lot of headless chickens, scared for their jobs.
I see that the sum total of yearly pensions that the Kinnock seniors will get, is more than most people could hope to have as a total pension pot in their lifetime. Bet they won't be helping the Welsh steel workers though. Kinnock junior has just resigned his position in the shadow opposition, distancing himself from Corbyn.
Philippa - I am not intending to patronise, just to look above the immediate horizon. The UK is still a member of the EEA which requires members to adopt EU rules for the free movement of persons, goods, services and capital within the EU so, on the face of it, not a lot will change as far as trade and EU immigration are concerned.
Brexit negotiations may change that. Germany will, of course, want to continue trading with the UK but bear in mind that following the VW emissions scandal their UK sales figures are down 20% and US sales figures down 25% so they won't want to encourage competition from the UK car industry. French car manufacturing is suffering from a combination of over capacity and falling sales so they will want to protect their industry.
British car manufacturing has been increasing in recent years but 4 out of 5 cars made in the UK are exported and the biggest market is Europe following recent falls in sales to India and China. If the EU gets sticky on trade terms UK car manufacturing may just end up with falling sales, falling production, job losses and maybe foreign companies like Nissan ceasing to invest in the UK and relocating to mainland Europe - ironic as it is a major employer in an otherwise depressed Sunderland economy.
Investment banks are already moving jobs and operations to Dublin, Frankfurt and Paris. I shall continue to watch economic and political developments with interest.
Doghouse Riley, tell me about it, when I retired finally I was already in a fracas with the Tax Office over calling my Pension unearned income, writing erudite letters to them explaining I had worked for every half penny of it. The trouble was English as she is spoke had not been part of their curriculum. you are already getting pensions that incur tax this is extra money that can only be explained as unearned??? My next letter contained some really old English words which they would at least know the meaning of as you heard it every day as they came home from school smoking their lives away. They then set a rate which I did pay being the good citizen I am and at the next accounting was told I had paid too much, did they send me a cheque? No, they altered my code, next year it turned out I owed them money and so it went on for five years until feeling somewhat abused I went over the local office heads and guess what? they sent me a check corrected my code and so it has been ad infinitum, my eye's water every year when I get the tax return.
The youngsters think all old people live off the state and they have to work to keep them, that is far from true having never had one Government hand out myself I know few who have, most live on pensions they had to work for, insurances (something that appears to have died out) though we took them as normal a way to ease things for the children when we took off to the big parade ground in the sky, they also think we cause all the car accidents by obeying the traffic rules stopping them doing their Lewis Hamilton impersonations. I am ranting? Rant over.
What now I ask what will rise from the Witches cauldron of politics now? we will see, one certainty we will definitely pay.
Frank
As someone said - there's only two things sure in life. Death and taxes.
I do so agree about the the unfairness of taxing pension income saved and invested from earnings already taxed.
Obelixx, a very good assessment and very true apart from the labour costs in Europe at the moment are higher than the UK, if they do move manufacturing it will be to one of the Satelite Countries, Sunderland Nissan is part of Renault because of the wage and pension structure in France. When large industries move you have to put in place all the supply chain and most use a demand system where the parts arrive at the moment they are to be used no one stores parts these days, this is a vast and well organised system which would take some moving. There are many ifs and buts no one knows though firms like Hitachi who have built a multi million pound factory in Durham are not going to upsticks in a hurry.
There will be turmoil upset and false starts as we change track, in a few years those of us still here will wonder what the fuss was about,my worry is that half of the population at the moment hates the other half because of the way they voted, the political picture will change, I only hope that the dissidents groups do not manage to grab power in the aftermath.
Frank
"EU co-operation to 'intensify' - Johnson
Boris Johnson says the UK will continue to "intensify" co-operation with the EU following the country's vote to leave. The leading pro-Leave campaigner said exit supporters must accept the 52-48 result was "not entirely overwhelming". Writing in Monday's Daily Telegraph, Mr Johnson dismissed Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon's call for a second independence referendum saying there was little "appetite" for one. It came as Jeremy Corbyn said he would stand in any Labour leadership contest. Eleven members of the shadow front bench resigned on Sunday following the sacking of shadow foreign secretary Hilary Benn, who told Mr Corbyn he had lost confidence in him. In his first words since accepting the result of the EU referendum on Friday, Mr Johnson wrote that "the only change" would be to free the UK from the EU's "extraordinary and opaque" law, which "will not come in any great rush". 'Single market access' His column said: "I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be. "There will still be intense and intensifying European co-operation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment. "EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU. "British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI - the BDI - has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market. "The only change - and it will not come in any great rush - is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU's extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal."
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That's ok then. No harm done.
My understanding is that although being a member of th EEA requires agreement to free movement of people, we would no longer have to treat persons from the EU in the same way as UK nationals for benefit purposes. The concessions 'won' by Cameron were only short term, intended to shut the public up (and clearly failed miserably to do so). If migrants without employment were unable to get money, or any other benefits, they would be far less likely to come here in the first place. The UK has been seen as a soft touch because benefit payments are so much higher than they would receive in their home country.
Those coming here to a job would still be able to come.
We wouldn't be forced to implement EU directives either, if all we sign up for is a trade related agreement.
From what we see recently, only the Germans and French have any clout anyway so would it make any difference if the other countries didn't understand what was going on?