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  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340

    We've had 2 weeks of almost non-stop rain, but today there's not a cloud in the sky...

    I just hope it's an omen


    Billericay - Essex

    Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
    Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 34,888

    who was the moustachiod , monotesticular chap who blamed imigrants for everything and said " let's put our own country first"??

    Devon.
  • KT53KT53 Posts: 9,016

    Whatever our opinions of the outcome, we are where we are now and need to look to the future.  Part of the volatility of the £ is down to currency speculators who thought last night that they could make a killing because they believed the Remain vote would win.  Hopefully they will have take a massive hit.

    The £ has already recovered by 5 cents from the opening low and will quite possibly recover further during the day.  Let's give the markets time to digest what has happened, and for the initial knee jerk reactions to die down.

    I believe a major factor in the Out camp winning was the ever more dire, and unbelievable, spoutings by Osborne about the effects of leaving the EU.  If he really believed the claims, why weren't they all laid out on day one of the campaign?  It ended up like the boy who cried wolf, in the end nobody believed ANYTHING he said even when he was telling the truth.

  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 34,888

    48.1% voted to remain. so almost half believed him.

    Devon.
  • PalaisglidePalaisglide Posts: 3,414

    The Children of England (not the UK) cross the red channel into the wilderness, let us hope it does not take 40 years to find the promised land.

    My heart was out though I voted IN for the sake of my fifteen year old grandson, as he said, it is his world now not mine. Already on the Continent others are asking for the same referendum, the end of Europe is nigh?? We do not know as no one knows what will happen now, a member of the European Parliament said today the UK still has to obey all their rules until the day we actually leave which could well be more than two years away. Independence day co-meth though not yet for a while.

    It is done live with it as my old Dad used to say, my fingers are crossed.

    Frank.

  • Michael199Michael199 Posts: 175

    So the opportunities for our multi-lingual youngsters of a future career in other EU countries will be coming to an end now? That has to be a step backwards for them.

    I do believe most older voters did vote for the future of their kids. Hope they're not too put out by this result.

  • YviestevieYviestevie Posts: 7,066

    I vowed never to comment on Political threads but I am so upset today that I feel I must.  when I think of all the worker and human rights now under threat I am so very sad And if anyone thinks for one moment that the talked about millions that we will supposedly save will be spent on the Nhs, social care for the elderly, a better police service or to improve education they must be mad. 

    Hi from Kingswinford in the West Midlands
  • KT53KT53 Posts: 9,016
    Hostafan1 says:

    48.1% voted to remain.

    See original post

     Yes, and 51.9% voted to leave.  It's called democracy.  A higher % in favour of the "winner" than in most other votes taken in the UK, be that parliamentary, union etc.

    In the Scottish independence referendum 45% voted to leave and the government claimed it as a resounding victory.  There is only a 3% difference in this one.

    Interestingly too, voices are already being raised by some other EU leaders that things must change within the EU.  I can only assume they are starting to worry that other countries will go the same way as the UK.  Whether people thing we should be in or out, surely nobody really believes that the EU in its current form is really fit for purpose.  There were supposed to be strict fiscal rules to stop member countries building up too much debt.  Which was the first country to break those rules - Germany!

    Likewise, strict criteria for eligibility to join the EU, but few if any of the more recent tranches of countries to join came anywhere close to fulfilling those requirements.  That didn't stop them joining.

  • Yviestevie says:

     when I think of all the worker and human rights now under threat I am so very sad 

    See original post

     If we cannot achieve human rights without the EU then it is a sorry state of affairs, but I think we can have human rights without any outside help, 

  • Michael199Michael199 Posts: 175

    What was all the strikes and riots in France 3 weeks ago all about then? Was it the football? Or was there something about workers rights just before that? About the French government reducing workers rights?

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