It was about the French government realising that people have to work a longer week (in France currently 35 hours) and be more flexible about time off (statutory 11 hours rest between shifts) in order to generate greater productivity for the economy and make it easier for companies to engage new staff and fire incompetent ones. France currently has very high unemployment among the young and companies afraid to engage staff because they can't shed duffers.
What too many people in developed countries don't understand is that in order to fund their pensions and social care and health care and education you have to have a productive working population generating taxes for the national economy and profits for the companies that employ them and making goods or providing services that can be sold at a competitive price to generate those jobs and profits.
Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
That's the question answered then isn't it? Being a member of the EU is not a guarantee of workers rights being protected? Regardless of GDP..taxes..profits and dividends.
Workers' rights are about having decent conditions in which to work with safety apparel and equipment as needed, clean air, safe factories, shops and offices, well maintained machinery, safety exits and fire drills, sick pay and holiday pay.
They are not about expecting to be paid for what they're not producing or getting a pension when you haven't contributed enough productivity to fund it. They are not about burdening the next generation with paying for your expectations.
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Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
I think what has been so sad about this referendum is the lack of facts set before the electorate. The politicians have done their best to whip up scare stories in order to influence both sides and the result has been an almost 50/50 split down the middle. This will surely effect politics for years to come and the next general election could throw up some very weird results. What appears to be a nasty spat withint the Tory party has resulted in a massive change for the country, and no-one can predict where this will lead.
As to the NHS being improved by a fall in immigration on leaving the EU, have any of you been in hospital recently? The staffing levels are propped up by those from elsewhere and you would be hard beat to come across a nicer bunch of people.
Yes. I totally agree. No more if that sending little boys up chimneys with a lighted taper up their bottoms. The world has definately changed for the better.
ecokid: in 1975 when many of us were barely old enough to vote, the older generation voted for us to stay in the EEC whether we wanted to or not. We had to live with their decision. That;s life. That's democracy. And the young don't have an instant access to wisdom just because they are young; the older generation who have "been there, seen it, done it" use experience to guide them. You may not like the outcome, but you can't rail against those who brought about a decision that wasn't in accordance with your own. Those who voted "out" aren't a bunch of bigoted old fogeys who don't care about the future because they won't be here to reap the consequences: they voted because they cared about the future for their children, grandchildren etc.
This result probably won't affect me, but I agree with the comments from KT53 and Shrinking Violet. Don't panic and wait for the first day's hulabalu to die down a bit. If Brexit, as it seems, forces the powers that be in the EU to start thinking that maybe they've been going about things the wrong way, so much the better.
And if we think about workers' rights etc - when I left school, there were two pay scales (quite common) with the large insurance company that I worked for: men's rates and women's rates. A lad two years younger than I joined on the same day, with fewer qualifications; he was paid more because he was male. Barbara Castle led the way for equal pay - long before the Common Market even thought about it.
The rights afforded to workers won't disappear because we aren't being prompted by the EU. Our sense of fairness and justice won't be compromised because we have voted somewhat inconveniently not for the European project.
It was predicted by all that, in the event of a Vote Leave, the markets would be in turmoil. In the sort term it may be painful. In the long term it may even itself out - as predicted by a number of economic commentators. But the short-term panic by currency speculators and the like is not basis for panic or instant judgements about the future.
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It was about the French government realising that people have to work a longer week (in France currently 35 hours) and be more flexible about time off (statutory 11 hours rest between shifts) in order to generate greater productivity for the economy and make it easier for companies to engage new staff and fire incompetent ones. France currently has very high unemployment among the young and companies afraid to engage staff because they can't shed duffers.
What too many people in developed countries don't understand is that in order to fund their pensions and social care and health care and education you have to have a productive working population generating taxes for the national economy and profits for the companies that employ them and making goods or providing services that can be sold at a competitive price to generate those jobs and profits.
That's the question answered then isn't it? Being a member of the EU is not a guarantee of workers rights being protected? Regardless of GDP..taxes..profits and dividends.
I am and always have been a democrat,. My point was that to say " nobody believed" when the margin was so slim is just silly.
Workers' rights are about having decent conditions in which to work with safety apparel and equipment as needed, clean air, safe factories, shops and offices, well maintained machinery, safety exits and fire drills, sick pay and holiday pay.
They are not about expecting to be paid for what they're not producing or getting a pension when you haven't contributed enough productivity to fund it. They are not about burdening the next generation with paying for your expectations.
Last edited: 24 June 2016 14:49:37
I think what has been so sad about this referendum is the lack of facts set before the electorate. The politicians have done their best to whip up scare stories in order to influence both sides and the result has been an almost 50/50 split down the middle. This will surely effect politics for years to come and the next general election could throw up some very weird results. What appears to be a nasty spat withint the Tory party has resulted in a massive change for the country, and no-one can predict where this will lead.
As to the NHS being improved by a fall in immigration on leaving the EU, have any of you been in hospital recently? The staffing levels are propped up by those from elsewhere and you would be hard beat to come across a nicer bunch of people.
Yes. I totally agree. No more if that sending little boys up chimneys with a lighted taper up their bottoms. The world has definately changed for the better.
ecokid Don't include me in that please.
ecokid: in 1975 when many of us were barely old enough to vote, the older generation voted for us to stay in the EEC whether we wanted to or not. We had to live with their decision. That;s life. That's democracy. And the young don't have an instant access to wisdom just because they are young; the older generation who have "been there, seen it, done it" use experience to guide them. You may not like the outcome, but you can't rail against those who brought about a decision that wasn't in accordance with your own. Those who voted "out" aren't a bunch of bigoted old fogeys who don't care about the future because they won't be here to reap the consequences: they voted because they cared about the future for their children, grandchildren etc.
This result probably won't affect me, but I agree with the comments from KT53 and Shrinking Violet. Don't panic and wait for the first day's hulabalu to die down a bit. If Brexit, as it seems, forces the powers that be in the EU to start thinking that maybe they've been going about things the wrong way, so much the better.
And if we think about workers' rights etc - when I left school, there were two pay scales (quite common) with the large insurance company that I worked for: men's rates and women's rates. A lad two years younger than I joined on the same day, with fewer qualifications; he was paid more because he was male. Barbara Castle led the way for equal pay - long before the Common Market even thought about it.
The rights afforded to workers won't disappear because we aren't being prompted by the EU. Our sense of fairness and justice won't be compromised because we have voted somewhat inconveniently not for the European project.
It was predicted by all that, in the event of a Vote Leave, the markets would be in turmoil. In the sort term it may be painful. In the long term it may even itself out - as predicted by a number of economic commentators. But the short-term panic by currency speculators and the like is not basis for panic or instant judgements about the future.