As a family, this decision is a disaster. My husband is a film producer - UK film relies heavily on the EU free movement of people and financial incentives. The films my husbands company produce bring billions to the UK economy.
I am a research scientist, over 50% of our funding is EU based, and many of my colleagues are here due to EU free movement. This vote means an already fragile UK higher ed system is going down the toilet.
I have yet to hear any Brexit supporter provide me with a sensible reason why they voted out. Always bloody 'immigrants'. Do they not realise the 'immigrants' against whom they show so much disdain will still come here with us out of the EU? The only people this effects are the immigrants who they would probably approve of (no matter how wrong that may be) - doctors, nurses, scientists
According to a survey of voters in Swindon, they voted to kick the backsides of politicians who have ignored them and been out of touch with the lives and needs and wishes of plain folk. Whatever the reasons, you now have to cope with the fallout and pick up the pieces and move on.
There's also an interesting socio-economic split between those who voted out and those who voted in. It will be interesting to see who puts their minds and backs into building the UK's future as an independent entity and who will carry on expecting others to pick up the pieces for them. Will the south eastern English who contribute most taxes to the central coffers be happy to carry on subsidising the Welsh, the Northern Irish, the Scots, the poorer regions ? Will they want more autonomy and control of finances?
Unfortunately, the vote doesn't change the local, regional and national civil servants and politicians who will decide and implement the new policies. Social liberalism is in peril if, as expected, the economy takes a hit and GDP goes down.
As for the EU - yes, maybe they'll be worried enough about the rise of nationalism to stop and think about how they go about things and how fast they push on towards integration but I don't see them making any concessions to the UK on trade, finance, freedom of movement of labour and people. Why should they? How the EU goes on is no longer the concern of the UK.
Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
Here in Devon I have seen Vote Leave posters a-plenty, and only one, small Remain poster. Having travelled extensively for the past week or so (Canadian visitors who we conducted hither and thither) I have had a lot of experience of the general feelings in the area.
I have spoken with many. I have listened in (deliberately!) to many a conversation in the market, the coffee shop and the pub. I have not ever heard one person complain about "bloody immigrants". Not one. Not ever. But I have heard a lot about accountability and democracy.
The guarded "socio-economic" profiling is just plain insulting. People of all backgrounds have had their own opinions. Just because some of the most dramatic results were in the Labour heartlands doesn't damn all of them (and any other Leave voters) to working class ignorance and xenophobia.
I'll take my degree certificate and hide it in case anyone thinks I'm thinking above my station, shall I?
Sorry Obelixx - I was feeling rather cross at some of the stuff that is being said. I was on Facebook and I just can't believe the venom being expressed towards anyone who voted contrary to some sort of received wisdom.
Ok - calmer now. Deep breath: It's going to be very, very tough to find someone with the vision to sort this whole debacle out. There's a vote of No confidence in Jeremy Corben. Cameron is going. Sturgeon is seizing the opportunity for another Scottish referendum. Sinn Feinn are stirring the pot of discord.
There needs to be some firm, rational leadership. How's about someone normally out of the public eye knuckling down and doing the job ie not one of the "front runners"? Now there's a thought . . . .
I was referring to the boy who cried wolf when I said it ended up with nobody believing him, not directly referring to Osborne. That said, I do think that the wild claims made by BOTH SIDES, damaged their credibility severely. If either/both sides had put forward their arguments in full from the start maybe the outcome would have been different. The reality is we will never know
At least you are reassured by more informed brexit voters in your area
that is so far from what it's been like where I live that it would be funny if it weren't so terrifying. i live on a former council housing area and am so depressed at how people have refused to educate themselves either for or against. every last person I've spoken to about it who voted leave and is local to me said the exact same thing. Immigrants. That was it. I even asked about other Brexit concerns a few times (sovereignty, decentralisation, etc). They didn't have a clue.
(By the way, there is no kind of profiling going on here. I am from a working class family and grew up in a council flat in Peckham. I KNOW we aren't all the same because of where we come from. But, boy, some people refuse to help themselves)
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As a family, this decision is a disaster. My husband is a film producer - UK film relies heavily on the EU free movement of people and financial incentives. The films my husbands company produce bring billions to the UK economy.
I am a research scientist, over 50% of our funding is EU based, and many of my colleagues are here due to EU free movement. This vote means an already fragile UK higher ed system is going down the toilet.
I have yet to hear any Brexit supporter provide me with a sensible reason why they voted out. Always bloody 'immigrants'. Do they not realise the 'immigrants' against whom they show so much disdain will still come here with us out of the EU? The only people this effects are the immigrants who they would probably approve of (no matter how wrong that may be) - doctors, nurses, scientists
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According to a survey of voters in Swindon, they voted to kick the backsides of politicians who have ignored them and been out of touch with the lives and needs and wishes of plain folk. Whatever the reasons, you now have to cope with the fallout and pick up the pieces and move on.
There's also an interesting socio-economic split between those who voted out and those who voted in. It will be interesting to see who puts their minds and backs into building the UK's future as an independent entity and who will carry on expecting others to pick up the pieces for them. Will the south eastern English who contribute most taxes to the central coffers be happy to carry on subsidising the Welsh, the Northern Irish, the Scots, the poorer regions ? Will they want more autonomy and control of finances?
Unfortunately, the vote doesn't change the local, regional and national civil servants and politicians who will decide and implement the new policies. Social liberalism is in peril if, as expected, the economy takes a hit and GDP goes down.
As for the EU - yes, maybe they'll be worried enough about the rise of nationalism to stop and think about how they go about things and how fast they push on towards integration but I don't see them making any concessions to the UK on trade, finance, freedom of movement of labour and people. Why should they? How the EU goes on is no longer the concern of the UK.
What happens about our EU passports?
Here in Devon I have seen Vote Leave posters a-plenty, and only one, small Remain poster. Having travelled extensively for the past week or so (Canadian visitors who we conducted hither and thither) I have had a lot of experience of the general feelings in the area.
I have spoken with many. I have listened in (deliberately!) to many a conversation in the market, the coffee shop and the pub. I have not ever heard one person complain about "bloody immigrants". Not one. Not ever. But I have heard a lot about accountability and democracy.
The guarded "socio-economic" profiling is just plain insulting. People of all backgrounds have had their own opinions. Just because some of the most dramatic results were in the Labour heartlands doesn't damn all of them (and any other Leave voters) to working class ignorance and xenophobia.
I'll take my degree certificate and hide it in case anyone thinks I'm thinking above my station, shall I?
No SV. You'll need it. I am not the one who reported on the split. That was reporters and "experts".
I do wonder who will have the vision and the energy to push through what the UK now needs to bring it together and make it work in every sense.
Sorry Obelixx - I was feeling rather cross at some of the stuff that is being said. I was on Facebook and I just can't believe the venom being expressed towards anyone who voted contrary to some sort of received wisdom.
Ok - calmer now. Deep breath: It's going to be very, very tough to find someone with the vision to sort this whole debacle out. There's a vote of No confidence in Jeremy Corben. Cameron is going. Sturgeon is seizing the opportunity for another Scottish referendum. Sinn Feinn are stirring the pot of discord.
There needs to be some firm, rational leadership. How's about someone normally out of the public eye knuckling down and doing the job ie not one of the "front runners"? Now there's a thought . . . .
(For the record, I'm available
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I was referring to the boy who cried wolf when I said it ended up with nobody believing him, not directly referring to Osborne. That said, I do think that the wild claims made by BOTH SIDES, damaged their credibility severely. If either/both sides had put forward their arguments in full from the start maybe the outcome would have been different. The reality is we will never know
At least you are reassured by more informed brexit voters in your area
that is so far from what it's been like where I live that it would be funny if it weren't so terrifying. i live on a former council housing area and am so depressed at how people have refused to educate themselves either for or against. every last person I've spoken to about it who voted leave and is local to me said the exact same thing. Immigrants. That was it. I even asked about other Brexit concerns a few times (sovereignty, decentralisation, etc). They didn't have a clue.
(By the way, there is no kind of profiling going on here. I am from a working class family and grew up in a council flat in Peckham. I KNOW we aren't all the same because of where we come from. But, boy, some people refuse to help themselves)
Also in Devon SV. Remain posters aplenty around here. South Hams and Exeter both voted to remain.