Well we shall just have to be patient then Mr. V. I guess different soils/PH will produce variation in foliage colour. Does anyone grow MW own-root? Maybe that’s the difference in cane thickness and vigour (guessing wildly here). Photo 2 looks a more likely candidate to me. Here is mine:
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
Has anyone first hand experience of 'Mme Isaac Pereire' It'll be for a prominent position at the back of my sunny border, probably growing up an obelisk, so I'd like to know if it is a reliable flowerer and whether the blooms have a wet summer tolerance...and good disease resistance.
@peteS My experience with MIP is it blooms in flushes, the autumn flush is the best. Rain resistance is average, disease resistance is not its strong suit but I don't find it problematic.
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My MW for more comparison. Maybe 2.5 ft tall at present.
All the cuttings seemed dead. Will try again this autumn.
I see Macplants is closed again..
I shall be interested to see your Paul Neyon when it blooms... not one I know..
The LA is looking good there too..