Some ugly stories coming out now Hosta. I suspect lots of people turning blind eyes in the past - now wishing they hadn't.
Glad the washing machine is up & running Dove. Could you do some bedding and OH's work shirts for me? - and if you could run an iron over them too that would be good
Commiserations to all those with roadworks / building work nearby. They've just started building a new development on farmland behind our old house. The land was inherited by someone with history of selling to developers which was one of the reasons we moved out. A three storey house right behind our old property plus 2 others looking straight into the garden. Garden was a funny shape and not long enough to do any effective screening from properties that close.
Pet supplies and SM today then I must do my cards - no more procastination. I'll make a start after more tea.....
Heaven is ... sitting in the garden with a G&T and a cat while watching the sun go down
I just wonder about what's going on in all the other sports involving children - gymnastics, athletics, tennis, rugby and so on - and whether their organising bodies have controls and systems in place to protect children or naively suppose that all is well.
Devastating for parents and the kids involved. Can't be pleasant either for all the good coaches and volunteers who must now be under clouds of suspicion as more abuse is revealed.
Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
It's to be hoped that following these revelations there will be much stricter vetting procedures and supervision of coaches and others involved with children and sport.
What I don't understand, but perhaps you might Dove, is that it seems now as if half the population of children seem to be abused, but I don't seem to think it was something I had ever heard of growing up.
Was it just such a taboo subject, so that no one mentioned it?
How can you lie there and think of England When you don't even know who's in the team
... Glad the washing machine is up & running Dove. Could you do some bedding and OH's work shirts for me? - and if you could run an iron over them too that would be good ......
Happy to Topbird - lob it over here - virtual laundry my speciality
Re the abuse of children - I think that the FA and other sporting bodies have put procedures into place which ought to help protect youngsters - my son was involved with the running of a local football club and as soon as they started a youth team a load of Child Protection procedures swung into place. However, procedures can only ever be as good as the people who implement them.
The problem with abusers is, as I said, the type of people who abuse are the type who understand how to control other people, including adults. They create unquestioning fiefdoms around themselves like Jimmy Savile and Rolf Harris did - they are not 'one offs' ....... sadly I've seen it happen.
You have to have people involved in the organisation who are innately suspicious ... you have to always ask the question 'what are they getting out of this situation? What's in it for them?' Everyone gets something out of a situation. Not all motives are malign, but some are. And everyone should remember, there is very rarely a justifiable need for any adult who is not a parent to be totally alone with a child.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
My friend was a Girl Guide and they went camping regularly. The most popular site was in the grounds of a large estate in Norfolk (not sure where).
Everybody knew that the 'lord of the manor' was a dirty old man who liked to stick his hand down the girls' sleeping bags and have a rummage around.
All the girls knew it and all the guiders (including my friend's mother) knew it. It never (as far as anyone knew...) went any further than a rudimentary fumble and the advice given to all the girls (aged 11 - 15) was not to be alone with him and to tell him "Clear Off" very loudly if he tried anything - presumably to alert people to what was happening.
Things were so different then (late 60's early 70's). People did talk about it - but quietly - and somehow it just seemed to be accepted as part of the trials and tribulations of life. Unless it became more serious abuse of course.
With hindsight it beggars belief that the adults didn't report it but just tried to manage it. Presumably they didn't want to lose the use of this campsite - but what a price to pay. My friend (like me) just laughed things like this off. Relatively non serious but inappropriate behaviour like this wasn't uncommon.
Heaven is ... sitting in the garden with a G&T and a cat while watching the sun go down
Did I tell mention that my brother with the lymphoma has made good progress with the chemo and won't need chemo in January?
I've just been to the Post Office to post Christmas cards, more still to do, and to Leclerc SM as I forgot the wine and oranges for the mulled wine for after the Carol Service on Sunday.
Bit of fencing to do in the winter paddock then horses to go in there, then making of mince pies.
I'll pop back later if Internet is working.
Dordogne and Norfolk. Clay in Dordogne, sandy in Norfolk.
Oh lovely, thanks for the recommendation, Pansyface. It was indeed found by a roadside and assumed to have been from a discarded core, but they have since discovered that there were previously orchards in that area so it was probably cultivated. Very exciting to plant a tree, even a little 'un, isn't it?
My sister was a junior doctor in Nottingham, Punkdoc... as is a friend now and a colleague's son a couple of years ago. Nottingham seems to be medicland.
'If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need.'
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Some ugly stories coming out now Hosta
. I suspect lots of people turning blind eyes in the past - now wishing they hadn't.
Glad the washing machine is up & running Dove. Could you do some bedding and OH's work shirts for me? - and if you could run an iron over them too that would be good
Commiserations to all those with roadworks / building work nearby. They've just started building a new development on farmland behind our old house. The land was inherited by someone with history of selling to developers which was one of the reasons we moved out. A three storey house right behind our old property plus 2 others looking straight into the garden. Garden was a funny shape and not long enough to do any effective screening from properties that close.
Pet supplies and SM today then I must do my cards - no more procastination. I'll make a start after more tea.....
I just wonder about what's going on in all the other sports involving children - gymnastics, athletics, tennis, rugby and so on - and whether their organising bodies have controls and systems in place to protect children or naively suppose that all is well.
Devastating for parents and the kids involved. Can't be pleasant either for all the good coaches and volunteers who must now be under clouds of suspicion as more abuse is revealed.
It's to be hoped that following these revelations there will be much stricter vetting procedures and supervision of coaches and others involved with children and sport.
What I don't understand, but perhaps you might Dove, is that it seems now as if half the population of children seem to be abused, but I don't seem to think it was something I had ever heard of growing up.
Was it just such a taboo subject, so that no one mentioned it?
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
Happy to Topbird - lob it over here - virtual laundry my speciality
Re the abuse of children - I think that the FA and other sporting bodies have put procedures into place which ought to help protect youngsters - my son was involved with the running of a local football club and as soon as they started a youth team a load of Child Protection procedures swung into place. However, procedures can only ever be as good as the people who implement them.
The problem with abusers is, as I said, the type of people who abuse are the type who understand how to control other people, including adults. They create unquestioning fiefdoms around themselves like Jimmy Savile and Rolf Harris did - they are not 'one offs' ....... sadly I've seen it happen.
You have to have people involved in the organisation who are innately suspicious ... you have to always ask the question 'what are they getting out of this situation? What's in it for them?' Everyone gets something out of a situation. Not all motives are malign, but some are. And everyone should remember, there is very rarely a justifiable need for any adult who is not a parent to be totally alone with a child.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
My friend was a Girl Guide and they went camping regularly. The most popular site was in the grounds of a large estate in Norfolk (not sure where).
Everybody knew that the 'lord of the manor' was a dirty old man who liked to stick his hand down the girls' sleeping bags and have a rummage around.
All the girls knew it and all the guiders (including my friend's mother) knew it. It never (as far as anyone knew...) went any further than a rudimentary fumble and the advice given to all the girls (aged 11 - 15) was not to be alone with him and to tell him "Clear Off" very loudly if he tried anything - presumably to alert people to what was happening.
Things were so different then (late 60's early 70's). People did talk about it - but quietly - and somehow it just seemed to be accepted as part of the trials and tribulations of life. Unless it became more serious abuse of course.
With hindsight it beggars belief that the adults didn't report it but just tried to manage it. Presumably they didn't want to lose the use of this campsite - but what a price to pay. My friend (like me) just laughed things like this off. Relatively non serious but inappropriate behaviour like this wasn't uncommon.
Haven't been able to get here today, rubbish Internet. I wrote a couple of posts that wouldn't send. Lets see if this will.
I can see you BL
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Oh good, at last!
Did I tell mention that my brother with the lymphoma has made good progress with the chemo and won't need chemo in January?
I've just been to the Post Office to post Christmas cards, more still to do, and to Leclerc SM as I forgot the wine and oranges for the mulled wine for after the Carol Service on Sunday.
Bit of fencing to do in the winter paddock then horses to go in there, then making of mince pies.
I'll pop back later if Internet is working.
Oh lovely, thanks for the recommendation, Pansyface. It was indeed found by a roadside and assumed to have been from a discarded core, but they have since discovered that there were previously orchards in that area so it was probably cultivated. Very exciting to plant a tree, even a little 'un, isn't it?
My sister was a junior doctor in Nottingham, Punkdoc... as is a friend now and a colleague's son a couple of years ago. Nottingham seems to be medicland.