@Marlorena, I remember you mentioning somewhere that some DA climbing and rambling roses can be grown as large shrubs. I really like the look of The Generous Gardener but have no fence or wall for it to climb... Any other way I can try growing it? Thank you in advance!
Removed above post as no longer relevant- bought something else instead! Updated Trevor White order. I see the influence of @ElbFee among others here!
La Rose du Petit Prince Stanwell Perpetual Soeur Emmanuelle / Cathedral Bells Mutabilis Mme Antoine Mari Abraham Darby Souvenir de la Malmaison Archiduc Joseph
I plan to put Souvenir de la Malmaison in a sheltered area under a canopy where hopefully it won't ball, and Mutabilis beside my neighbour's unsightly but hopefully warm kitchen extension wall. Everything else will have to fit in somewhere somehow!
@Dasha You can grow it as a large shrub with some pruning, but it is a true climber so it will throw up stiff thorny canes to 10 feet or so. These may have to be cut back if you want to contain it. It can be grown freestanding that way if you have the space. I've tried it on an obelisk but it outgrew that structure. It took a couple of years in my garden to become a climber..
If you want a large shrub, it's best to choose one of that type really, unless your mind is set on this particular rose.
@JessicaS Pestraja Fantasia has a beautiful velvety purple red colour inside and light creamy white outside. It has got a lovely fragrance too. I would say it's definitely a better bloomer than my Elbflorenz. The one I have posted yesterday shows the second flush.
@Fire I just watched Jason’s videos that you linked - always so well explained and all good common sense stuff, certainly nothing to disagree with. He did make the important point about getting a soil test, if I could get one from the RHS I would jump at it!
Darlow’s Enigma, large panicles of pretty blooms:
Avalanche Abricot, still going..
Harlow Carr starting a late flush:
Thomas à Beckett, rather scruffy blooms:
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
@Fire I just watched Jason’s videos that you linked - always so well explained and all good common sense stuff.
He is one of only a few horticultural channels that I follow now. I find him diligent, he replies to questions; he is honest and smart. Unlike most other North American channels, he acknowledges that he has a lot of viewers and growers not in North America and that the rest of the world does, in fact, exist.
He says he is going to do a vid on soil testing shortly.
@Dasha You can grow it as a large shrub with some pruning, but it is a true climber so it will throw up stiff thorny canes to 10 feet or so. These may have to be cut back if you want to contain it. It can be grown freestanding that way if you have the space. I've tried it on an obelisk but it outgrew that structure. It took a couple of years in my garden to become a climber..
If you want a large shrub, it's best to choose one of that type really, unless your mind is set on this particular rose.
@Marlorena, thank you, it does make sense. I just seem to like the flower shape and scent on The Generous Gardener and can't seem to find anything similar in a shrub form. Maybe you can think of any? Thank you for your wisdom as always
@Dasha I always say, if you are set on a particular rose you should get it, and deal with it later... years down the line before you need worry about it's climbing proclivities..
'The Generous Gardener' growing as a tall shrub, about 6 feet tall.. with other roses.. also in the photo.. 'The Poet's Wife'.. 'Forever Royal'.. 'Scepter'd Isle'.. 'Baronne Prevost'..'Wild Rover'..
Ok a newbie here.. in planting roses in the ground
How much space does everyone give between the shrubs or bushes? DA says 'the maximum width of the plant', unless its the same type or a hedge.. Now since different types have different widths, will you be choosing a random number say 2 feet apart between roses? even though some could grow to a maximum of say 3-4 feet.. or would you give enough space to all roses and fill the gaps with annuals and perennials?
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La Rose du Petit Prince
Stanwell Perpetual
Soeur Emmanuelle / Cathedral Bells
Mutabilis
Mme Antoine Mari
Abraham Darby
Souvenir de la Malmaison
Archiduc Joseph
I plan to put Souvenir de la Malmaison in a sheltered area under a canopy where hopefully it won't ball, and Mutabilis beside my neighbour's unsightly but hopefully warm kitchen extension wall. Everything else will have to fit in somewhere somehow!
You can grow it as a large shrub with some pruning, but it is a true climber so it will throw up stiff thorny canes to 10 feet or so. These may have to be cut back if you want to contain it. It can be grown freestanding that way if you have the space.
I've tried it on an obelisk but it outgrew that structure.
It took a couple of years in my garden to become a climber..
If you want a large shrub, it's best to choose one of that type really, unless your mind is set on this particular rose.
Darlow’s Enigma, large panicles of pretty blooms:
Avalanche Abricot, still going..
Harlow Carr starting a late flush:
I always say, if you are set on a particular rose you should get it, and deal with it later... years down the line before you need worry about it's climbing proclivities..
'The Generous Gardener' growing as a tall shrub, about 6 feet tall.. with other roses.. also in the photo.. 'The Poet's Wife'.. 'Forever Royal'.. 'Scepter'd Isle'.. 'Baronne Prevost'..'Wild Rover'..
How much space does everyone give between the shrubs or bushes? DA says 'the maximum width of the plant', unless its the same type or a hedge.. Now since different types have different widths, will you be choosing a random number say 2 feet apart between roses? even though some could grow to a maximum of say 3-4 feet.. or would you give enough space to all roses and fill the gaps with annuals and perennials?