@edhelka it’s so lovely to see your Albrighton and interesting to hear your comments, I can see how it is similar to climbers and I was expecting it to behave differently to my other roses.
I’m trying to decide whether to use the DA voucher to get a rose for the pot now or whether to wait until our trip to the DA gardens! I think I would get potted now, especially having now read @Marlorena’s advice.
My most progressed bud ('Gertrude Jekyll'), developed months ago but probably won't grow into anything pretty. Two newbies doing well An interesting bud ('A Million Dreams') 'Crépuscule' looking good 'Purple Skyliner' and the smaller rose on the right is 'Saphir' (shrub, 2015... Tantau likes to recycle names). This is quite a charming rose, I got it directly from Tantau but it is now sold in the UK too. This will be its 3rd year. 'Saphir' last year... lilac inside, light reverse
@alexander.wade Sorry for the delay, three boys (one 6 months old) to entertain and trying to paint a room in the house so not much time to spare!
When I was planning my house wall climbers I decided to go for wall plugs and vine eye screws into the wall without using wires. I just tie the roses directly to the vine eyes. That was because: a) I think it looks better without the wires, more natural b) Because I have awkward narrow widths of wall, I would have needed lots of very short lengths of wire which just seemed silly, faffy and a waste of time and money c) it had to grow around a corner
I positioned the vine eyes, measuring the distance horizontally and then using a calculator to work out what vertical spacing (how many brick courses) would be needed between them to allow a 35 - 45 degree angle (adjusted to suit the wall best). This was because I intended to tie canes in a zig zag pattern going up the wall at 45 degrees or less to maximise flowering.
Once those measurements were sorted it was just a case of marking the positions for drilling and fitting the vine eyes.
As the rose grew I tied the canes in, not always exactly as I’d planned as sometimes they have their own ideas! But I’m mostly happy with it.
The one place I did use wires was along a wide section of wall above the window.
Is this the sort of thing you’re thinking of? I’d do the same zig zag pattern that I did. I’ve included some photos of roses that I’ve grown this way, plus shots of the structure during winter so you can better see how they’ve been trained.
Ghislaine de Feligonde - tied directly to vine eyes
Malvern Hills. I was extremely happy with this second year flowering, top to bottom as I’d hoped! Top right above the window it’s tied to a wire.
Last year, extending over the door (no wires on this part)
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Im growing Lady of the Lake in a similar way. She took a year off last year though so there’s not enough structure to really show off.
first off sorry to take you away from such a busy life, unless this is your release of course......
Wow thanks so much for the detailed advice I will have a good think, plan and measure over the weekend! As @PeterAberdeen said a true masterclass! I think I will attempt to the plan as per your drawing! As for which rose, I have decided to wait a few weeks until lady of the lake is in stock and potted on David Austin so thanks for the advice @Marlorena and all others.
That Malvern hills on the corner is stunning! Might be one I look at for my planned rose arch in the back garden later in the year!
Let us know how you get on Alexander, with your new rose as it proceeds..
Superlative from Mr Vine as usual, showing how it should be done in quite a confined area.. takes time and patience, not to mention a degree of fitness to climb those ladders and to keep it manageable..
Lovely photos of Albrighton too..
I had a light frost this morning..
'Purple Skyliner' going to look fabulous this year edhelka... I much prefer this rose to 'Veilchenblau'..
I now prefer bare root roses, but in autumn generally
I now only buy bare root roses. In clay and also sandy soils the roots find it difficult to colonise the surrounding soil. I blame peat-free composts that do not re-wet if they dry. Much better that you have good contact of root to soil right from the initial planting.
Of course if you are impatient, an impulse buyer, or a poor planner, you have a cross to bear.
location: Surrey Hills, England, ex-woodland acidic sand. "Have nothing in your garden that you don't know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful."
There is something magical about buying potted roses in summer.. Of course it drains your wallet.. but once a while it feels nice to experience it.. the anticipation to see all those buds/booms.. you would know instantly what scent, colour, shape of blooms you are going to have... I remember opening quite a few DA and PB potted ones.. the experience was wonderful.. now these are when you place an order from June to September.. before they prune them.. other times it depends on how desperately I want that plant..
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@edhelka it’s so lovely to see your Albrighton and interesting to hear your comments, I can see how it is similar to climbers and I was expecting it to behave differently to my other roses.
Two newbies doing well
An interesting bud ('A Million Dreams')
'Crépuscule' looking good
'Purple Skyliner' and the smaller rose on the right is 'Saphir' (shrub, 2015... Tantau likes to recycle names). This is quite a charming rose, I got it directly from Tantau but it is now sold in the UK too. This will be its 3rd year.
'Saphir' last year... lilac inside, light reverse
When I was planning my house wall climbers I decided to go for wall plugs and vine eye screws into the wall without using wires. I just tie the roses directly to the vine eyes. That was because:
a) I think it looks better without the wires, more natural
b) Because I have awkward narrow widths of wall, I would have needed lots of very short lengths of wire which just seemed silly, faffy and a waste of time and money
c) it had to grow around a corner
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Once those measurements were sorted it was just a case of marking the positions for drilling and fitting the vine eyes.
As the rose grew I tied the canes in, not always exactly as I’d planned as sometimes they have their own ideas! But I’m mostly happy with it.
The one place I did use wires was along a wide section of wall above the window.
Is this the sort of thing you’re thinking of? I’d do the same zig zag pattern that I did. I’ve included some photos of roses that I’ve grown this way, plus shots of the structure during winter so you can better see how they’ve been trained.
Ghislaine de Feligonde - tied directly to vine eyes
Malvern Hills. I was extremely happy with this second year flowering, top to bottom as I’d hoped! Top right above the window it’s tied to a wire.
Last year, extending over the door (no wires on this part)
Im growing Lady of the Lake in a similar way. She took a year off last year though so there’s not enough structure to really show off.
I hope something of that is helpful!
first off sorry to take you away from such a busy life, unless this is your release of course......
Wow thanks so much for the detailed advice I will have a good think, plan and measure over the weekend! As @PeterAberdeen said a true masterclass! I think I will attempt to the plan as per your drawing! As for which rose, I have decided to wait a few weeks until lady of the lake is in stock and potted on David Austin so thanks for the advice @Marlorena and all others.
That Malvern hills on the corner is stunning! Might be one I look at for my planned rose arch in the back garden later in the year!
Superlative from Mr Vine as usual, showing how it should be done in quite a confined area.. takes time and patience, not to mention a degree of fitness to climb those ladders and to keep it manageable..
Lovely photos of Albrighton too..
I had a light frost this morning..
'Purple Skyliner' going to look fabulous this year edhelka... I much prefer this rose to 'Veilchenblau'..
"Have nothing in your garden that you don't know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful."
Of course if you are impatient, an impulse buyer, or a poor planner, you have a cross to bear.
"Have nothing in your garden that you don't know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful."