I'm trying to plan ahead. If you were to grow Bathsheba over a standard arch, would you plant one either side or would you just plant the one over it? DA site says this one is a short climber to 10 ft but i know this can vary a little. Would two be too much on the arching over the top?
Also, how would roses perform if they had to face open exposure to really hot summers, dealing with around 10 hours of baking sun, no shade whatsoever, while also having to face some really harsh winter storms/winds, with no protection? I'm thinking of shrub roses that grow to around 3 to 3.5 ft, like Desdemona and Roald Dahl. All of my other roses have walls/fence panels for a little bit of protection but these would be open to the elements with no protection at all.
I've just seen Ronnie O'Sullivan at the garden center. I think he was eyeing up a plant.
@HarryWhite - roses are pretty hardy, obviously severe wind and cold can cause damage but nothing that you can’t cut down below and have them regrow.
As for arches, obviously one each side gives a fuller look, but single sided arches where the rose covers 2/3 of the arch or more (up and over) can look good to. I think in the DA handbook it described it as more modern...or contemporary? Saw this done with a rambler like Malvern Hills which managed to come quite far down the opposite side of the arch.
You’d need to make sure your arch was very secure and sturdy to cope with exposure to strong winds with a big rose on it.
Ive not personally bent Bathsheba that much so not sure how she likes it.
...that sounded off
I know Malvern Hills is happy to continue growing in any direction.
@Busy-Lizzie I bet you will like Odyssey too if you like checkmate. Isnt it gorgeous? Megan too;
@agnasia I tried going back to sleep but kept getting woken the rascals! Ive got 4. They supervised me gardening all day yesturday.
@Nollie that wisteria looks gorgeous! Im eagerly awaiting mine flowering.
@Marlorena Got to admit that Othello is lovely, Id have had that for £9 after Albertine and Lady Marmalades wicked caltrops / needles if you dont need full arm gauntlets to prune its an improvement!
I don't like being given roses either, Marlorena, much more fun to choose them myself. When my daughter gave me 5 roses for my new house in France we chose them together and that was fun. They had to be in the veg garden for a few months while I sorted out the new house and started to make the garden. Cornelia, Felicia, Jacques Cartier, Louise Odier and Comte de Chambord.
Then, when OH sold his tiny cottage and bought this one, 2 friends gave us Baroness Rothschild and For Your Eyes Only. I had to dig a new bed and the colours clash a bit, but they are lovely. I don't want anyone to give me a rose now though.
Dordogne and Norfolk. Clay in Dordogne, sandy in Norfolk.
Happy Easter Sunday everyone. Slightly
smokey air outside after last night's Easter bonfires.
I hope my Wisteria blooms half as nice
as yours @JessicaS and @Nollie. Will try to prune harder in summer
and next spring.
@Cooldoc the new basals seem to have
happened under the influence of this forum. I never had any before.
And now I notice them on various roses. Maybe you need to turn your
phone around when you look at your roses. Not take pics but show them
how to behave?
No, I will not try to order from
Dickinson. No. I will tell myself they won't ship. No, I will not ask
them. Nonono. Lovely roses you all have or will have.
Here is my favorite rose shape.
Planning my next trip: a morning stroll
at Edhelka's, a cuppa at Jessica's, an afternoon nap on Marlorena's
bench. Keep those overview photos coming so I can plan further. Not
sure yet how I manage to have a sunbath squeezed in at Nollie's given
the distance. And am a little afraid that OWD's puts me to work on
one of his many projects ;-)
Actually, no, I do not like to get a
rose as present. They are never type or colour that I want. I gladly
take your Othello, @Marlorena. Colour is more red and less purple in
nature. The thorns are not half as bad as those of one of the few
roses that came with the house. Foliage however is very nice of the
unknown rose.
I’m not even sure I would even welcome a voucher, never mind a gift rose, but it depends on the supplier of course. A Roses Loubert one would always be welcome. Just saying 😆
@HarryWhite for taller shrub roses that might suffer from windy winter storms, like Lady of Shalott, I cut about a third down in late Autumn then return to fine tune when I’m doing the rest in February. It helps to stabilise the shrub if the graft is decently buried, of course. Foliage damage is never fatal. As to roses that do well in blazing sun and freezing winters, well I can give you chapter and verse on that, given the trials and tribulations mine are subjected to here!
The ones that do best in sun have decent petal thickness and sturdy, glossy foliage, so floribundas such as Love Song and Julia Child are all-weather stalwarts. Slightly tender teas and tea-noisettes might do OK in relentless sun but are a gamble over winter. Of the Austins, Munstead Wood and Gertrude Jekyll are the toughest in all conditions. LoS does OK too, it can fry a little in very hot sun here but probably won’t for you. I’ve resisted the many charms of Desdemona because it’s reputed to scorch in high summer temperatures. Purple Lodge, Soul and Stormy Weather get a lot of heat even though they are in my cooler East Garden because they are on the South side, planted in a raised stone walled bed. The latter two are also on a metal fence, nothing like upping the torture quotient to the max 🥵
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I'm trying to plan ahead.
If you were to grow Bathsheba over a standard arch, would you plant one either side or would you just plant the one over it? DA site says this one is a short climber to 10 ft but i know this can vary a little. Would two be too much on the arching over the top?
Also, how would roses perform if they had to face open exposure to really hot summers, dealing with around 10 hours of baking sun, no shade whatsoever, while also having to face some really harsh winter storms/winds, with no protection? I'm thinking of shrub roses that grow to around 3 to 3.5 ft, like Desdemona and Roald Dahl.
All of my other roses have walls/fence panels for a little bit of protection but these would be open to the elements with no protection at all.
As for arches, obviously one each side gives a fuller look, but single sided arches where the rose covers 2/3 of the arch or more (up and over) can look good to. I think in the DA handbook it described it as more modern...or contemporary? Saw this done with a rambler like Malvern Hills which managed to come quite far down the opposite side of the arch.
You’d need to make sure your arch was very secure and sturdy to cope with exposure to strong winds with a big rose on it.
Ive not personally bent Bathsheba that much so not sure how she likes it.
I know Malvern Hills is happy to continue growing in any direction.
Megan too;
@agnasia I tried going back to sleep but kept getting woken the rascals! Ive got 4. They supervised me gardening all day yesturday.
@Nollie that wisteria looks gorgeous! Im eagerly awaiting mine flowering.
@Marlorena Got to admit that Othello is lovely, Id have had that for £9
Then, when OH sold his tiny cottage and bought this one, 2 friends gave us Baroness Rothschild and For Your Eyes Only. I had to dig a new bed and the colours clash a bit, but they are lovely. I don't want anyone to give me a rose now though.
Happy Easter Sunday everyone. Slightly smokey air outside after last night's Easter bonfires.
I hope my Wisteria blooms half as nice as yours @JessicaS and @Nollie. Will try to prune harder in summer and next spring.
@Cooldoc the new basals seem to have happened under the influence of this forum. I never had any before. And now I notice them on various roses. Maybe you need to turn your phone around when you look at your roses. Not take pics but show them how to behave?
No, I will not try to order from Dickinson. No. I will tell myself they won't ship. No, I will not ask them. Nonono. Lovely roses you all have or will have.
Here is my favorite rose shape.
Planning my next trip: a morning stroll at Edhelka's, a cuppa at Jessica's, an afternoon nap on Marlorena's bench. Keep those overview photos coming so I can plan further. Not sure yet how I manage to have a sunbath squeezed in at Nollie's given the distance. And am a little afraid that OWD's puts me to work on one of his many projects ;-)
Actually, no, I do not like to get a rose as present. They are never type or colour that I want. I gladly take your Othello, @Marlorena. Colour is more red and less purple in nature. The thorns are not half as bad as those of one of the few roses that came with the house. Foliage however is very nice of the unknown rose.
The unknown rose.
I stick with thornless, or gallica (almost).
"Have nothing in your garden that you don't know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful."
@HarryWhite for taller shrub roses that might suffer from windy winter storms, like Lady of Shalott, I cut about a third down in late Autumn then return to fine tune when I’m doing the rest in February. It helps to stabilise the shrub if the graft is decently buried, of course. Foliage damage is never fatal. As to roses that do well in blazing sun and freezing winters, well I can give you chapter and verse on that, given the trials and tribulations mine are subjected to here!
The ones that do best in sun have decent petal thickness and sturdy, glossy foliage, so floribundas such as Love Song and Julia Child are all-weather stalwarts. Slightly tender teas and tea-noisettes might do OK in relentless sun but are a gamble over winter. Of the Austins, Munstead Wood and Gertrude Jekyll are the toughest in all conditions. LoS does OK too, it can fry a little in very hot sun here but probably won’t for you. I’ve resisted the many charms of Desdemona because it’s reputed to scorch in high summer temperatures. Purple Lodge, Soul and Stormy Weather get a lot of heat even though they are in my cooler East Garden because they are on the South side, planted in a raised stone walled bed. The latter two are also on a metal fence, nothing like upping the torture quotient to the max 🥵