As for scent, it is very personal and subjective. My favourite is old rose with a bit of a sharp lemony edge. I have two roses with this sort of fragrance:
Wendy Cussons & Claire Marshall
I also like the myrrh scented ones. So far I have:
Wollerton Old Hall and Ayrshire Splendens
I hope to get to David Austin's rose garden this summer and sniff out what I like there. Last summer I visited but my sense of smell was still recovering from Covid, so it was more a feast for the eyes rather than the nose.
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Gardening in the West Midlands on a mix of neutral loamy sand & Victorian building rubble.
It's a US based forum if I am not wrong.. they talk about Noisettes and Chinas tolerating wet conditions.. But UK has colder weather which would not suit the Chinas.. plus Noisettes you buy here would be grafted.. so it is really a question of whether the root stock would be happy.. If you are upto some experimentation, could try these or any other old garden roses and see if they are doing ok..
@cooldoc I have other roses not on my ‘favourites for fragrance’ list that have a far stronger scent than Marie Pavie, but it’s the latter’s ability to waft that sweet, musky scent that makes it a winner. Sounds as if I need to get over my HT aversion and get a Chandos Beauty, given another endorsement there from Eustace!
@daisym I would also try and get a pot with straighter sides for more root room and avoid ones with that projecting inner rim because they are a nightmare to get the rose out when you need to refresh the soil. Even if it’s a permanent home, every few years a potted rose still needs hauling out, the old soil knocked off and maybe a bit of root pruning before returning it to the same pot. The longest I managed to keep a rose going without doing that was 5 years. Did Tack recommend her Strawberry Hill for a short climber?
@punkdoc the more you improve drainage and soil aeration with lots of organic matter the better but ‘permanently moist’ doesn’t sound too bad, unless that translates to very boggy and/or flooded for months at a time? The main issue there is with the graft rotting. Options include planting in a raised bed or, contrary to usual practice, plant with the graft above the soil line to try and avoid that. As to rose type, species roses may cope better or those that readily sucker on their own roots like many of the gallicas and rugosas - but you would need to bury the graft if you wanted it to develop it’s own roots. That way if the graft dies, the rose lives on. Indigo is also known for that. So as cooldoc says, old roses might work better than the moderns. Interesting about the noisettes cooldoc - maybe the hardy Blush Noisette would work? Depends on how much space you have of course!
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@daisym when I grew climbers and shrubs in pots I used 60cm pots.
I was just going to suggest Strawberry Hill but Nollie has beaten me to it! I had a short climber called Open Arms at a previous house, pretty peachy single flowers.
I have Penelope which is a shrub rose but I have pruned her to be a short climber on a 6ft fence.
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This climber on a local church is in full bloom well before any of the roses in my garden. Does anyone know what it is? I did not take a close up photo unfortunately.
I too vouch for CB @Nollie its perfume is among the strongest.. the plant however has very bad dieback with me and not the strongest in terms of holding its own blooms.. others experience may vary..
Blush Noisette might be a good candidate.. I have read that some china/ Bengale roses were originally found near wet/ swamp conditions..
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It's a US based forum if I am not wrong.. they talk about Noisettes and Chinas tolerating wet conditions.. But UK has colder weather which would not suit the Chinas.. plus Noisettes you buy here would be grafted.. so it is really a question of whether the root stock would be happy.. If you are upto some experimentation, could try these or any other old garden roses and see if they are doing ok..
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@daisym I would also try and get a pot with straighter sides for more root room and avoid ones with that projecting inner rim because they are a nightmare to get the rose out when you need to refresh the soil. Even if it’s a permanent home, every few years a potted rose still needs hauling out, the old soil knocked off and maybe a bit of root pruning before returning it to the same pot. The longest I managed to keep a rose going without doing that was 5 years. Did Tack recommend her Strawberry Hill for a short climber?
@punkdoc the more you improve drainage and soil aeration with lots of organic matter the better but ‘permanently moist’ doesn’t sound too bad, unless that translates to very boggy and/or flooded for months at a time? The main issue there is with the graft rotting. Options include planting in a raised bed or, contrary to usual practice, plant with the graft above the soil line to try and avoid that. As to rose type, species roses may cope better or those that readily sucker on their own roots like many of the gallicas and rugosas - but you would need to bury the graft if you wanted it to develop it’s own roots. That way if the graft dies, the rose lives on. Indigo is also known for that. So as cooldoc says, old roses might work better than the moderns. Interesting about the noisettes cooldoc - maybe the hardy Blush Noisette would work? Depends on how much space you have of course!
I was just going to suggest Strawberry Hill but Nollie has beaten me to it! I had a short climber called Open Arms at a previous house, pretty peachy single flowers.
I have Penelope which is a shrub rose but I have pruned her to be a short climber on a 6ft fence.
I would expect 'Maigold', as the name implies, to be in full flush about now..
..very thorny canes..
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
Blush Noisette might be a good candidate.. I have read that some china/ Bengale roses were originally found near wet/ swamp conditions..
That yellow climber looks fab @Discandied