@owd potter I would need to see more of fully open and aging blooms from @Tack and @cooldoc to properly compare. But there is so much variation in form and colour of early blooms, according to bush maturity, the weather, climate etc.
However, Tack’s lax canes, small, well-spaced, outward pointing prickles and smooth pedicles and bud stems all match my WS2K. Fragrance is very strong for me, but mine is second season and it’s still generally warmer here to help bring out the volatile oils.
My Falstaff has downward hooked, more closely packed prickles including tiny ones right up to the pedicel. Also new growth is not as flushed with red as that WS2K.
Not much on my WS at the mo:
Past Examples:
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
I'm many pages behind today, but have sighed over those fantastic photos from @WAMS and @CatDouch 😍 . I'm almost embarrassed to show this one of mine. Perfect Harmony, bought last year
It was hot and humid here.. so pretty sure it would have brought the fragrance out of it.. will wait for more blooms..
@Tack TW stopped selling WS2000 even though they are supplying many other DAs. Could it be a mix up from their supplier/ source? But you did get a decent fragrance.. Time will tell..
No... DA have been on the phone to TW "reminding" them about plant breeders' rights running for 25 years not 20. So TW have had to withdraw WS2000, Crocus and Janet from sale... for a couple of years at least.
Gorgeous pic @Bullfinch, what on earth would you be embarrassed about?! Also purples by @DSrose on previous page and all of @Discandied's wonderful older roses- great to get a vision of Bouquet de la Mariée when it's a bit bigger than my tiny one! There aren't that many pics on the internet of some of these roses. What a tremendous resource this thread is
Wonderful large photographs of beautiful roses.. I think some of you have very reasonable cameras..
@Discandied I love your collection of Old Roses,.. You seem to have the original Bouquet de la Mariee.. there was a time when the climber 'Aimee Vibert' was sold under that name,..
@SalixGold You asked what MIP stands for?.. sometimes questions get a bit lost on this thread, but it refers to an old Bourbon rose called 'Mme. Isaac Pereire'... we often shorten names here..
I hope this may be of interest to some members here.. It's the latest article published by the World Federation of Rose Societies [WFRS]
By various writers, there is a feature on Lens Roses which I found very good.. also other tidbits.. fun to read that David Austin went to Australia one year and was shown around a garden, only to notice a large yellow rose climbing a tree... he said he thought it looked like his own 'Graham Thomas' rose... it was... he was shocked to see it so big.. well, we all know what happened next... as discussed recently..
Interesting too how Mailland trial their roses in hostile places without pest or fungicide control.. neither Meilland nor Kordes keep any of their old roses, so it's not just Austin..
I found the piece on Louis Parmentier fascinating.. and how the famous 'Peace' rose has mutated to that it appears different in some countries..
@Mr. Vine Eye, thank you re Munstead
Wood. That settles it. There will be a move in autumn for MW. I enjoy
your full garden pictures. Always curious to see rose companions. Find La Rose Du Petit Prince in this one:
@Nollie, not sure if you agree given
you have visitors, but it is good to hear rain still exists. I would
like to have some up North too. Lawn looks like Serengeti.
Interesting to read what RHS experts
recommend for beginners. What would you all suggest as the easiest,
hassle free rose for a beginner? My recommendation would be Blue For
You. Something with health, scent, continous flowering and growth
that does not need support.
I have my first bloom on Mutabilis,
bought thanks to @Marlorena's pictures. Nothing like your glorious,
intense colours but a washed out rosé. Not taking a picture of it.
@pitter-patter I love your garden.
Can't repeat this often enough.
@Edhelka, thank your for the count.
There are so many roses still on my love-to-have list. Just added
Wolverstone Church and Soul, thank you @Tack. I couldn't say what the
max number is.
Very interesting all your observations
on heat, drought and which roses cope best. Investigating again into
old roses that repeat well. Thanks for the infor on Indigo, Marlorena
and all your photos @Discandied. Many seem to be hardier than modern
roses. Makes sense, they wouldn't be around anymore if they weren't.
Reine des Violettes and Great Western in background.
@Dabolem you asked for a white rose. I
love Annapurna, Rose Ihrer Majestät, Madame Anisette, all very scented and
Biedermeier (no scent). If a bit blush is allowed, go for Prince Jardinier /Schloss Ippenburg.
@Rojas how tall is your Radio Times,
please? I got mine as a climber but it refuses to get airborne.
Many of my roses show a different tint
than yours, i.e. My Chandos Beauty compared to @Alfie is more
champagne and less abricot. My Lady Emma is not orange but abricot.
Charles Austin is almost white on day 2. Scepter'd Isle is really
pink. Although we all seem to have quite warm weather and no rain, On
the other hand, I remember my Lark Ascending to look like yours
@PeterAberdeen.
First ever bloom on Imogen.
Cornflower with Huddersfield Choral Society and peony.
This one took weeks to open. Verrry prickly thing.
Thrilled to see such lovely pics of roses like 'Lyda Rose'.. 'Chandos Beauty'.. 'Lady of Shalott' and 'Kew Gardens'.. amongst numerous others..
Both the local and international input is quite something..
Did you know this thread has been going non-stop, 365 days a year, 24/7, for 4 years?.. I first started it in April 2019.. and the first rose I talked about was 'The Ancient Mariner'... it takes some commitment and dedication to keep something like this going, especially during bleak mid winter.. some are seasonal, that's ok too.. we all like a break.. thanks for all the many and varied contributions..
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However, Tack’s lax canes, small, well-spaced, outward pointing prickles and smooth pedicles and bud stems all match my WS2K. Fragrance is very strong for me, but mine is second season and it’s still generally warmer here to help bring out the volatile oils.
My Falstaff has downward hooked, more closely packed prickles including tiny ones right up to the pedicel. Also new growth is not as flushed with red as that WS2K.
Past Examples:
It was hot and humid here.. so pretty sure it would have brought the fragrance out of it.. will wait for more blooms..
@Tack TW stopped selling WS2000 even though they are supplying many other DAs. Could it be a mix up from their supplier/ source? But you did get a decent fragrance.. Time will tell..
Gorgeous pic @Bullfinch, what on earth would you be embarrassed about?! Also purples by @DSrose on previous page and all of @Discandied's wonderful older roses- great to get a vision of Bouquet de la Mariée when it's a bit bigger than my tiny one! There aren't that many pics on the internet of some of these roses. What a tremendous resource this thread is
@Discandied
I love your collection of Old Roses,..
You seem to have the original Bouquet de la Mariee.. there was a time when the climber 'Aimee Vibert' was sold under that name,..
@SalixGold
You asked what MIP stands for?.. sometimes questions get a bit lost on this thread, but it refers to an old Bourbon rose called 'Mme. Isaac Pereire'... we often shorten names here..
It's the latest article published by the World Federation of Rose Societies [WFRS]
By various writers, there is a feature on Lens Roses which I found very good.. also other tidbits.. fun to read that David Austin went to Australia one year and was shown around a garden, only to notice a large yellow rose climbing a tree... he said he thought it looked like his own 'Graham Thomas' rose... it was... he was shocked to see it so big.. well, we all know what happened next... as discussed recently..
Interesting too how Mailland trial their roses in hostile places without pest or fungicide control.. neither Meilland nor Kordes keep any of their old roses, so it's not just Austin..
I found the piece on Louis Parmentier fascinating.. and how the famous 'Peace' rose has mutated to that it appears different in some countries..
I am permitted to share this link, but need to remind that all articles within it and photographs are copyrighted, so we cannot copy and paste anything.. Just so you know..
https://historicroses.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/May-2023-compressed.pdf
@Mr. Vine Eye, thank you re Munstead Wood. That settles it. There will be a move in autumn for MW. I enjoy your full garden pictures. Always curious to see rose companions. Find La Rose Du Petit Prince in this one:
@Nollie, not sure if you agree given you have visitors, but it is good to hear rain still exists. I would like to have some up North too. Lawn looks like Serengeti.
Interesting to read what RHS experts recommend for beginners. What would you all suggest as the easiest, hassle free rose for a beginner? My recommendation would be Blue For You. Something with health, scent, continous flowering and growth that does not need support.
I have my first bloom on Mutabilis, bought thanks to @Marlorena's pictures. Nothing like your glorious, intense colours but a washed out rosé. Not taking a picture of it.
@pitter-patter I love your garden. Can't repeat this often enough.
@Edhelka, thank your for the count. There are so many roses still on my love-to-have list. Just added Wolverstone Church and Soul, thank you @Tack. I couldn't say what the max number is.
Very interesting all your observations on heat, drought and which roses cope best. Investigating again into old roses that repeat well. Thanks for the infor on Indigo, Marlorena and all your photos @Discandied. Many seem to be hardier than modern roses. Makes sense, they wouldn't be around anymore if they weren't.
Reine des Violettes and Great Western in background.
@Dabolem you asked for a white rose. I love Annapurna, Rose Ihrer Majestät, Madame Anisette, all very scented and Biedermeier (no scent). If a bit blush is allowed, go for Prince Jardinier /Schloss Ippenburg.
@Rojas how tall is your Radio Times, please? I got mine as a climber but it refuses to get airborne.
Many of my roses show a different tint than yours, i.e. My Chandos Beauty compared to @Alfie is more champagne and less abricot. My Lady Emma is not orange but abricot. Charles Austin is almost white on day 2. Scepter'd Isle is really pink. Although we all seem to have quite warm weather and no rain, On the other hand, I remember my Lark Ascending to look like yours @PeterAberdeen.
First ever bloom on Imogen.
Cornflower with Huddersfield Choral Society and peony.
This one took weeks to open. Verrry prickly thing.
My heavenly scented non-Heritage.
Ghislaine doing her monster thing.
Both the local and international input is quite something..
Did you know this thread has been going non-stop, 365 days a year, 24/7, for 4 years?.. I first started it in April 2019.. and the first rose I talked about was 'The Ancient Mariner'... it takes some commitment and dedication to keep something like this going, especially during bleak mid winter.. some are seasonal, that's ok too.. we all like a break.. thanks for all the many and varied contributions..