Oh my goodness, I think I've got this all wrong with my weeping standard. I thought the purpose of the tuteur was to train the canes up and through so there is width before they weep downwards naturally giving a wider mushroom shape. The string technique suggests that they don't weep naturally so is the tuteur there to force the canes down ie you don't let them grow up and through?
@Tack I don't train my weeping standard in any way, it weeps naturally when it flowers (under the weight of the blooms) but not before. I would say it depends on the rose.
Oh my goodness, I think I've got this all wrong with my weeping standard. I thought the purpose of the tuteur was to train the canes up and through so there is width before they weep downwards naturally giving a wider mushroom shape. The string technique suggests that they don't weep naturally so is the tuteur there to force the canes down ie you don't let them grow up and through?
Tack, I don’t think you have it wrong at all, what you describe were the exact instructions I got with my umbrella support and also on a French rose website - poke trough, train over the mushroom then allow to weep down.
What @WhereAreMySecateurs/Peter Beales says applies only if you don’t have a support and probably only then if the particular rose’s canes are a bit stiffer and need tying down to persuade to weep. But I’m guessing here as standard roses are all new to me too.  @edhelka has a [Super Excelsa?] weeper without a support I think and might be able to give us Standard rose newbies some pointers?
edited to say, edhelka and I typing at the same time, yes I agree, it does depend on the rose!
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
Thanks Omori and Edhelka for helping. It is Canary Bird I have , like the photo. If I don't need a tuteur that would be great, it is so ugly.
Edit just seen your post Nollie, thanks for joining in. It is pouring with rain right now or I'd take a better pic, this is mine recently, I've been contorting the canes up and through.
Thanks for the input in weeping standards. I can't imagine any of your roses not looking fab, Tack. I've sent a quick question to Styles /Â the Fragrant Rose company about whether tying is necessary or they'll weep on their own. Perennial Blue does have stiffish canes already so I think I will have to tie them, though.
But the RHS Encyclopaedia of Gardening Techniques diagram doesn't appear to show any tuteur or tying down- just natural weeping as described by Edhelka.
Here is my Super Excelsa. The shape asymmetry is because of our prevailing winds, I can't do much about it. Actually, I am happy that it's still standing and alive. I considered two possible ways of training: - Strings - but the branches aren't long enough for it yet. If they were, they would probably weep naturally anyway. But some roses can have thicker branches, growing up. - Ring support - I was thinking about using something more simple than a full umbrella and less visible, maybe just one ring (metal or natural/willow/something like that) and tying the branches to the ring, and the ring to the central stem, to keep it centered. But I don't see any need for that at the moment.
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Tack, I don’t think you have it wrong at all, what you describe were the exact instructions I got with my umbrella support and also on a French rose website - poke trough, train over the mushroom then allow to weep down.
What @WhereAreMySecateurs/Peter Beales says applies only if you don’t have a support and probably only then if the particular rose’s canes are a bit stiffer and need tying down to persuade to weep. But I’m guessing here as standard roses are all new to me too.  @edhelka has a [Super Excelsa?] weeper without a support I think and might be able to give us Standard rose newbies some pointers?
edited to say, edhelka and I typing at the same time, yes I agree, it does depend on the rose!
Avalanche Abricot - hope I’m not going to regret planting lots of soft cream, lemon and apricot roses, ugh, massive invasion of pollen beetles!
Lady Emma Hamilton perked up a bit having had earlier blooms trashed by weather:
Julia Child gearing up:
But the RHS Encyclopaedia of Gardening Techniques diagram doesn't appear to show any tuteur or tying down- just natural weeping as described by Edhelka.
The shape asymmetry is because of our prevailing winds, I can't do much about it. Actually, I am happy that it's still standing and alive.
I considered two possible ways of training:
- Strings - but the branches aren't long enough for it yet. If they were, they would probably weep naturally anyway. But some roses can have thicker branches, growing up.
- Ring support - I was thinking about using something more simple than a full umbrella and less visible, maybe just one ring (metal or natural/willow/something like that) and tying the branches to the ring, and the ring to the central stem, to keep it centered. But I don't see any need for that at the moment.
Here is a photo from the last year.