I have already said that i have no idea what actually happened in this case, yet some folk are slavering to shout 'rapist'. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I don't know, and neither do any other folk commenting on this thread. Why are some folk so consumed by their own beliefs?
I am "happy" that he was found guilty, but "unhappy" that we are denying him the opportunity to work, in the only field he is qualified for, although I accept that this is a far smaller issue than the tiny number of prosecutions for rape and in particular the attitude of a significant number of our police.
How can you lie there and think of England When you don't even know who's in the team
If he doesn't work as a footballer, I suspect there is very little chance he will ever be able to pay what he owes to the woman he raped. Should this have any influence on our thinking?
How can you lie there and think of England When you don't even know who's in the team
The fine was already seized when he sold his house but the lawyers have pocketed it all. He can't pay the remaining legal fees and the taxpayer will have to cover it.
If you can keep your head, while those around you are losing theirs, you may not have grasped the seriousness of the situation.
But why should a shop be happy about employing him (and why should the customers be happy about being served by him) if a football club and its supporters aren't?
But why should a shop be happy about employing him (and why should the customers be happy about being served by him) if a football club and its supporters aren't?
My OH works in a shop … it’s not an easy job for the unskilled … you need very good inter-personal skills, a sound understanding of the principles of good customer service, the sometimes complex IT systems used by the company, a knowledge of the products sold and an ability to help customers understand which item will best suit their particular needs. You need a calm head to deal with irritated/angry customers when something has gone wrong and a clear head to be able to feed the problem back to the management team in a coherent way so that the problem is resolved.
Also, he works in close proximity with other staff of both sexes, some of whom are students working part time, sharing the same rest facilities and loos.
Is that the sort of job you think the person in question is suitable for?
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Depends on whether you're employing someone with the skills for the job, or for their character I would guess. It seems tha DG had the skills to play football, but the club assessed that his character was flawed. If his character is judged by his actions, then does that imply ALL people who acted the same should be judged in the same way in all jobs? So if his character is what precludes him from playing and not his skill, where do his character traits ever fit?
There is another aspect to this case. You can't get Legal Aid for civil cases, and the woman in question had her fees paid for her. If we go down the route of suing people that have never been convicted, this means that only rich people can sue if they don't like the legal verdict.
My response was more about the thought of ‘shop work’ being suitable for folk who aren’t suitable for anything else. 😶
I agree it’s difficult … maybe the person concerned has to take on the problem himself, whether or not he considers himself guilty of what he’s been accused of … do some courses, anger management, cognitive thinking, improving social skills … and maybe some hard-core voluntary work under supervision … alongside playing at a football club. It could be built into his contract with regular reports to the Board.
I don’t know it that would be acceptable or whether it would work … but it might be worth trying … at least it would be acknowledging that there’s a problem.
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Don't you think that it inevitably ends up in an underclass? A group that you send to the galleys? And if you ostracise people, what is the difference then in cutting a thief's hands off, or branding people? Because what is being done is that in a different way - effectively electronically branding people with their record.
I get so conflicted over this, as I see how upsetting and life changing it is for the victims and their families. It is a lifelong sentence for them, for which they want retribution.
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Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I don't know, and neither do any other folk commenting on this thread.
Why are some folk so consumed by their own beliefs?
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
You can't get Legal Aid for civil cases, and the woman in question had her fees paid for her.
If we go down the route of suing people that have never been convicted, this means that only rich people can sue if they don't like the legal verdict.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.