2 weeks ago daughter had new windscreen,via her insurance company,they stipulated one company she had to use. They've broken the interior mirror some of the trims are damaged. She contacted insurance company who aren't interested, said she had to contact windscreen fitters.Ā
Can you do that? Can you judge without circumstance? The Queen is a thief? All military people who kill are murderers? All adults who slapped a child are child abusers? All people who buy the produce of child labour or slave labour are themselves abusive? What about abortion? Meat eating? What about religious doctrine?
Can (or should) you judge anything out of context? It becomes greyer surely? If you're willing to excuse a child who is the product of a naff environment, why do you not see that someone who has lived a life in an environment that espoused x or y as being true - is as equally conditioned by that environment?
The Queen is divinely inspired apparently, so is the Pope, so is... I may snigger at that as a concept, but it was (and is) believed by some. It then influences outlook doesn't it. Victorian England had many 'beliefs' that I think we'd find strange today - and Churchill was a product of Empire.
Churchill was a product of his thoughts not his environment. Anyone with a western education and especially a privileged one such as he had can only choose to be racist given that education allowed him to use a well educated intellect. Logic, reason and evolutionĀ fact arising from such an education can only allow you to come to one conclusion. We are all human no matter what colour we appear to be. If your racist after such an upbringing its through choice. He wasn't a product of his environment rather he used his environment to further his racist rhetoric.Ā
'The power of accurate observation .... is commonly called cynicism by those that have not got it.
But recouping those costs is fairly linear and the 'fuel' is free. You don't need to suddenly hike the prices to recoup the investment. I understand that materials and shipping prices have increased massively though so new infrastructure is costing more but this time it's known to be down to the rise in the global price for gas.
But you do have to maintain the infrastructure often from more remote places and then there's the turbines themselves. Plus there's times they're not producing and you have to buy in fossil fuel sourced energy with a few green energy certificates to offset it so youĀ can call it green energy,Ā etc,Ā etc,Ā etc,Ā
BTW most green energy contracts areĀ farce with a percentage being from fossil fuels, perhaps all of it from some providers. There's a green energy producers certificates system where even coal power stations supplied power could be called green or renewable. If your prices have gone up perhaps it's the cost of the fossil fuel used to generate your power or simply just increased costs to produce.Ā
Can you do that? Can you judge without circumstance? The Queen is a thief? All military people who kill are murderers? All adults who slapped a child are child abusers? All people who buy the produce of child labour or slave labour are themselves abusive? What about abortion? Meat eating? What about religious doctrine?
Can (or should) you judge anything out of context? It becomes greyer surely? If you're willing to excuse a child who is the product of a naff environment, why do you not see that someone who has lived a life in an environment that espoused x or y as being true - is as equally conditioned by that environment?
The Queen is divinely inspired apparently, so is the Pope, so is... I may snigger at that as a concept, but it was (and is) believed by some. It then influences outlook doesn't it. Victorian England had many 'beliefs' that I think we'd find strange today - and Churchill was a product of Empire.
Churchill was a product of his thoughts not his environment. Anyone with a western education and especially a privileged one such as he had can only choose to be racist given that education allowed him to use a well educated intellect. Logic, reason and evolutionĀ fact arising from such an education can only allow you to come to one conclusion. We are all human no matter what colour we appear to be. If your racist after such an upbringing its through choice. He wasn't a product of his environment rather he used his environment to further his racist rhetoric.Ā
Thoughts are influenced by experience which comes down in part to environment. Education too, you think his privileged education didn't promote the thinking he had on matters of race and empire? Rich kids got brainwashed into the establishment for sure. There's always been a straight path for that.
I'm not sure that's true. take any religion - people aren't idiots, never have been. But we've hadĀ religions from Babylon, Assyria, Egypt, Greece, Rome..andĀ Buddhism, Shinto'ism,Judaism,Christianity - they all totally influenced the THINKING of the people alive at the time they thrived. Each civilisation believes in its own superiority as it justifies what they do to foreigners. By the time of Churchill, Britain was thought to be a superior nation - not just by Churchill and not just via the Church. We see the effect still today - Johnny Foreigner was seen to be inferior - we go to India, to a culture different to ours, yet assume we're civilising the savages. We assume that our religion is better than other religions, even though we're aware that religions have morphed over the millenia - and will in future. Churchill would have been taught fromĀ birth that Britain was superior - the ruling class in Britain ditto. That is what was taught. I'd love to be able to transport back a be a product of the different cultures to see what I grew up to 'believe' or think was 'true'. I bet in Rome I believed that Romans were superior, as an early Christian that Christians are superior, in ancient Egypt that Egyptians were superior. I would just be a product of my culture - the same as you and I are of ours. I hope we're not judged to harshly in future when things change.
Religion is brainwashing.Ā You tell kids from the earliest age about God, Prophet or whatever and that is reinforced by teachers, the State or whatever and they're not allowed to question it: That's brainwashing.Ā
Can you do that? Can you judge without circumstance? The Queen is a thief? All military people who kill are murderers? All adults who slapped a child are child abusers? All people who buy the produce of child labour or slave labour are themselves abusive? What about abortion? Meat eating? What about religious doctrine?
Can (or should) you judge anything out of context? It becomes greyer surely? If you're willing to excuse a child who is the product of a naff environment, why do you not see that someone who has lived a life in an environment that espoused x or y as being true - is as equally conditioned by that environment?
The Queen is divinely inspired apparently, so is the Pope, so is... I may snigger at that as a concept, but it was (and is) believed by some. It then influences outlook doesn't it. Victorian England had many 'beliefs' that I think we'd find strange today - and Churchill was a product of Empire.
Churchill was a product of his thoughts not his environment. Anyone with a western education and especially a privileged one such as he had can only choose to be racist given that education allowed him to use a well educated intellect. Logic, reason and evolutionĀ fact arising from such an education can only allow you to come to one conclusion. We are all human no matter what colour we appear to be. If your racist after such an upbringing its through choice. He wasn't a product of his environment rather he used his environment to further his racist rhetoric.Ā
Thoughts are influenced by experience which comes down in part to environment. Education too, you think his privileged education didn't promote the thinking he had on matters of race and empire?Ā
"Rich kids got brainwashed into the establishment for sure. There's always been a straight path for that."
Brainwashed I don't think so! At such an intellectual level every rich kid was capable of making a choice. They chose to take part in the environment in which they found themselves. They chose to be racists because it suited their purpose at the time. There were many well educated people of that time that chose not to take part in abusing people simply because of the colour of their skin.
You can go on finding all the excuses you want it wont change the facts. At an intellectual level it was quite clear what was right and what was not. Choices were made then as they are now to justify the abuse of peoples because of their colour.
'The power of accurate observation .... is commonly called cynicism by those that have not got it.
I'm not sure that's true. take any religion - people aren't idiots, never have been. But we've hadĀ religions from Babylon, Assyria, Egypt, Greece, Rome..andĀ Buddhism, Shinto'ism,Judaism,Christianity - they all totally influenced the THINKING of the people alive at the time they thrived. Each civilisation believes in its own superiority as it justifies what they do to foreigners. By the time of Churchill, Britain was thought to be a superior nation - not just by Churchill and not just via the Church. We see the effect still today - Johnny Foreigner was seen to be inferior - we go to India, to a culture different to ours, yet assume we're civilising the savages. We assume that our religion is better than other religions, even though we're aware that religions have morphed over the millenia - and will in future. Churchill would have been taught fromĀ birth that Britain was superior - the ruling class in Britain ditto. That is what was taught. I'd love to be able to transport back a be a product of the different cultures to see what I grew up to 'believe' or think was 'true'. I bet in Rome I believed that Romans were superior, as an early Christian that Christians are superior, in ancient Egypt that Egyptians were superior. I would just be a product of my culture - the same as you and I are of ours. I hope we're not judged to harshly in future when things change.
"people aren't idiots".Ā Generally no theirĀ not, but when one has received a decent education learned about the world how it was formed and how old it isĀ it must be apparent that the world is not 6000 years old (or is it 2) as some religionsĀ believe.
"Churchill would have been taught fromĀ birth that Britain was superior - the ruling class in Britain ditto. That is what was taught."
I was taught many things from birth including the existenceĀ of a God. I receivedĀ the basic state educationĀ and was sent to Catholic Sunday school by my mother. As soon as my intellect would allow I quickly concluded that I had been lied to and that religionĀ was nonsenseĀ and a tool used to manage the masses and the uneducated and the educated who did believe did so in orderĀ to useĀ religion to suit their own purposes.
Churchill must have very quickly concluded given the evidence of his education that many of the popular beliefs were indeed nonsense, but it suited his purpose to allow people to think he did as well.
If I could after a basic state education look at the evidence and arrive at those simple conclusions then Churchill or anyone else could. The fact that billions choose not to simply baffles me. As you say they may be a product of their time, but I suspect many of those billions don't believe , but choose to appear to do so because of the environment they find themselves in or the lack of an education which includes the facts necessary to arrive at a different conclusion to the one they have been indoctrinated in.
'The power of accurate observation .... is commonly called cynicism by those that have not got it.
Some of the cleverest people I know don't ask questions outside their own sphere of interest and can be quite blind/focussed in pursuing what does.Ā
However, for politicians in a supposedly democratic country it is important to be informed and sympathetic of other people lives and needs.Ā Ā The Duke of Wellington, born to protestant nobility in Ireland ended up having an exemplary military career because he had good tactics and didn't throw his men needlessly into danger.Ā Later on as PM he pushed thru laws to emancipate the Catholics in GB and Ireland and we all know what the mainland thought of Irish Catholics.Ā Would that Churchill had been so enlightened about people seen as inferior and beneath his notice.Ā Ā Ā
I still don't see that that follows - aren't you basically saying is that no one who has a brain/intellect can ever believe anything other than 'the truth'? But what truth? Surely your truth is based on what you're taught to be true? You have to see all this in the context of how people saw humanity - Darwinism and Eugenics were part of this environment. You can't take the liberal education you've had in your environment with what you know and assume that's the environment previous generations had. Whether you like it or not, the top brains throughout history have been a product of their time and not of our time- so if the top brains were peddling that race and breeding created a superior race - and that was taught in the Victorian era - what yardstick would they have to measure it against? The Victorians couldn't time travel to now - to see what the beliefs are/would be - and then compare their understanding to that. They thought they were at the pinnacle of understanding (as most generations do) - they were in a golden era of Empire. They were right. Their science was right. Their laws were right. Their religion was right. They were doing good by taking their values to poor savages around the world.
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Churchill was a product of his thoughts not his environment. Anyone with a western education and especially a privileged one such as he had can only choose to be racist given that education allowed him to use a well educated intellect.
Logic, reason and evolutionĀ fact arising from such an education can only allow you to come to one conclusion. We are all human no matter what colour we appear to be. If your racist after such an upbringing its through choice. He wasn't a product of his environment rather he used his environment to further his racist rhetoric.Ā
'The power of accurate observation .... is commonly called cynicism by those that have not got it.
George Bernard Shaw'
BTW most green energy contracts areĀ farce with a percentage being from fossil fuels, perhaps all of it from some providers. There's a green energy producers certificates system where even coal power stations supplied power could be called green or renewable. If your prices have gone up perhaps it's the cost of the fossil fuel used to generate your power or simply just increased costs to produce.Ā
I'd love to be able to transport back a be a product of the different cultures to see what I grew up to 'believe' or think was 'true'. I bet in Rome I believed that Romans were superior, as an early Christian that Christians are superior, in ancient Egypt that Egyptians were superior. I would just be a product of my culture - the same as you and I are of ours. I hope we're not judged to harshly in future when things change.
You tell kids from the earliest age about God, Prophet or whatever and that is reinforced by teachers, the State or whatever and they're not allowed to question it: That's brainwashing.Ā
"Rich kids got brainwashed into the establishment for sure. There's always been a straight path for that."
Brainwashed I don't think so!
At such an intellectual level every rich kid was capable of making a choice. They chose to take part in the environment in which they found themselves. They chose to be racists because it suited their purpose at the time. There were many well educated people of that time that chose not to take part in abusing people simply because of the colour of their skin.
You can go on finding all the excuses you want it wont change the facts. At an intellectual level it was quite clear what was right and what was not. Choices were made then as they are now to justify the abuse of peoples because of their colour.
'The power of accurate observation .... is commonly called cynicism by those that have not got it.
George Bernard Shaw'
"people aren't idiots".Ā
Generally no theirĀ not, but when one has received a decent education learned about the world how it was formed and how old it isĀ it must be apparent that the world is not 6000 years old (or is it 2) as some religionsĀ believe.
"Churchill would have been taught fromĀ birth that Britain was superior - the ruling class in Britain ditto. That is what was taught."
I was taught many things from birth including the existenceĀ of a God. I receivedĀ the basic state educationĀ and was sent to Catholic Sunday school by my mother. As soon as my intellect would allow I quickly concluded that I had been lied to and that religionĀ was nonsenseĀ and a tool used to manage the masses and the uneducated and the educated who did believe did so in orderĀ to useĀ religion to suit their own purposes.
Churchill must have very quickly concluded given the evidence of his education that many of the popular beliefs were indeed nonsense, but it suited his purpose to allow people to think he did as well.
If I could after a basic state education look at the evidence and arrive at those simple conclusions then Churchill or anyone else could. The fact that billions choose not to simply baffles me. As you say they may be a product of their time, but I suspect many of those billions don't believe , but choose to appear to do so because of the environment they find themselves in or the lack of an education which includes the facts necessary to arrive at a different conclusion to the one they have been indoctrinated in.
'The power of accurate observation .... is commonly called cynicism by those that have not got it.
George Bernard Shaw'
However, for politicians in a supposedly democratic country it is important to be informed and sympathetic of other people lives and needs.Ā Ā The Duke of Wellington, born to protestant nobility in Ireland ended up having an exemplary military career because he had good tactics and didn't throw his men needlessly into danger.Ā Later on as PM he pushed thru laws to emancipate the Catholics in GB and Ireland and we all know what the mainland thought of Irish Catholics.Ā Would that Churchill had been so enlightened about people seen as inferior and beneath his notice.Ā Ā Ā