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ROSES - Spring/Summer Season 2021

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  • cooldoccooldoc Posts: 853
    @Fire Was it so complicated?? should have said its strong and pleasant.. now you made me hungry :D
    Lots of Gertrude pics and the scent.. I can imagine.. if only I had a spot to plant her.. will watch for her growth here.. She is in my long long wish list....
    A rose lover from West midlands
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    cooldoc said:
    @Fire Was it so complicated?? should have said its strong and pleasant.
    But that is bugger all help to the person that asked. Not that comparing the scent of a rose to the look of battenburg cake is very useful either. :D But I think "green apple and violets" get you some of the way there. Of course that is just a description to my nose from one bloom, on one plant, in my garden on a particularlly sunny day in June. No doubt there is great variation, as with colour, re nose, weather, soil, sun exposure etc.

    For some years my Ena lost all scent all together (2018, I think). I never figured out if it was down to no rain or too much rain or snow or stress or what.... Scent came back the next year.
  • NollieNollie Posts: 7,529
    edhelka said:
    @peteS DA's 3.5ft for GJ is not realistic, I think. 4ft maybe but more like 5. She is not a true climber, she is a tall shrub. But those 5-6ft canes are perfect for training on a fence if someone wants to grow it as a climber. And it can grow even bigger with support, although I think it would take its time to grow on a house wall or something like that.
    Edhelka, I agree, 3.5ft is unrealistic, but I would say that Gertrude Jekyll is not a true shrub rose but a climber. Difficult to categorise I guess. For those that don’t realise, there is only one version of GJ (breeder’s code Ausbord) even though DA lists it as both ‘shrub’ and ‘climber’. Same with Graham Thomas - one rose, two listings.

    Here, GJ could easily attain the height of 8ft DA’s website states under the climber listing. She resists hard pruning and thinning by just shooting straght back up again to over 6ft and throwing out a load of new basals. Be interesting to see what my new Graham Thomas does. I suspect that will want to climb too!

    Fabulous roses everyone, I’m having a nice mini break (despite the stinker of a cold, which is fading, thankfully) but can’t wait to get back home to see mine. Ridiculous isn’t it?

    @owd potter, Toyah is such a tease, now I’m thinking ah, looks quite like x, but M is right, there are so many reds out there so I am not going to hazard another guess 😆 
    Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
  • edhelkaedhelka Posts: 2,351
    @Nollie We could compromise on 5-6ft shrub in the UK and 8ft+ climber in warmer areas (by that I mean zone 7 and more with hot summers, because in zone 6 and less, she isn't fully cane-hardy which prevents her from climbing).
    I think these photos on HMF are what she wants to do naturally (unsupported):
    https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.190051
    https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.50673
  • Lizzie27Lizzie27 Posts: 12,494
    Golly, my GJ is definitely in the wrong place. It's about ten years old now and about 5ft. It does throw out the odd 6ft cane which I usually cut down as it looks odd but I'm wondering now whether to leave them to see what they do. My problem is that it is backed by a 6-7ft euronymus hedge so if it grows higher than that, would it look odd?
    I also made the mistake of planting it inside a rusted metal rose basket!
    North East Somerset - Clay soil over limestone
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