@Tack, is Rambling Rosie very thorny? I'm thinking of getting one to go behind the outside dining table but I don't want anything which might snare the people sitting on that side. (My youngest granddaughter is called Rosie which is why it particularly appeals).
Talking about red climbers 😉. My dear OH has asked if we can not change the intended color of the climber that needs to cover our entrance arch at the backgarden towards red. I’m not even sure if red is the right coloring for that spot.
So out goes my shortlist for a soft toned climber .( it was Florence Ducher , Leontine Gervais, wollerton )
The new short list so far... .gruss an teplitz ( found only 1 seller in the Netherlands 🇳🇱 ) .prince’s trust ( TCL has it ), but too large?
Requirements : to cover a standard arch, preferably no thorns or a small amount , repeat flowering, but summer flowering if they have a long lasting big flush can be taken into consideration . Would like to have some scent, and preferably large blooms but that last is a nice to have. In the afternoon tree shade but the tree is dying 🙁. They still give it 2 years and we will replant but it will take years to get that coverage back again ( a mature triple -stem beech that is over 30 years old ) Future will be full south sun in the afternoon. So a full sun spot within 2-3 years . ( south )
so any advice in the red world appreciated because I have no clue tbh ..
@Imprevu I have just come to find out that my red climber, that I lovingly referred to as Toyah, is Paul's scarlet, so I can offer a few comments on how I find that in terms of your above requirements. It is not thornless, but there are few and small and they have drawn my blood a couple of times. This is effectively my first year experience with this rose as I only found it last autumn, so don't know if it is a one shot or repeat flowering. Our resident rose guru @Marlorena says it may repeat, and @Eustace says hers does, so it's a good bet. Mine has no fragrance that I can detect. Blooms are medium size, of upto about 60mm, and a vivid scarlet colour, and are downturned hanging in prolific clusters. I am looking forward to getting mine over the top of my pergola where I think this habit will pay off. Mine is growing up an inside face of an east facing pergola so gets a fair bit of shade. The only real downside that I have found is that it Blackspotted early and heavily and is now defoliating badly and looking a bit unkempt. Hope this helps.
@Imprevu just relating my experiences with a few red climbers you have mentioned above to help you make a choice:
Paul's scarlet - scarlet as the name mentions, no fragrance for me (I'm smell-challenged!), needs good support as the flower heads are drooping, first flush is very good (I have seen upto 15 medium-sized flowers in a cluster), may get a second flush with pruning.
Tess of the d'Urbervilles - fragrant, thorny, bigger blooms, repeat flowering, dark crimson red.
I think @Fire can share more experiences about red climbers :-)
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And then my heart with pleasure fills,
And dances with the daffodils (roses). Taking a bit of liberty with Wordsworth
Love Song - healthy young shrub, looks good from a distance but up close the blooms are messy, some petal/sepal fusion going on:
@Imprevu I have had three on your list, non of which I kept because the blooms went too pink and/or burnt in my heat - problems you will not have in your climate, so I list the other qualities here:
Crimson Shower - vigorous, fast-growing, very long flexible canes, a mass of small blooms, but summer-flowering only, little to no scent. It could be too vigorous for a standard arch, it wanted to climb really high here, probably good for a large tree!
Gruss an Teplitz - I loved this rose, beautiful blooms, deep colour, fragrant, repeat-flowering, few thorns, Assuming it is winter hardy (china heritage) and will get big enough for you in your Belgian climate, it could be a really good choice. I wish I had kept it and found a more amenable location. I’m tempted to try it again…
Prince’s Trust - Fairly pliable and easy to train, lovely big red clusters, seemed healthy, I don’t recall any wicked thorns, light fragrance for me. Potentially a very good option, hardier and probably easier than G an T. I wouldn’t worry about it being too big, David Austin recommends it for a standard arch in the UK.
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
@Suesyn No not very thorny but has some, see below, but it is bushy on both sides of the trellis, about 75cm depth altogether even though it's tied in. @Nollie I fancy another excellent Weekes rose and have been a sucker for lilac so have been looking out for your comments and pics of Love Song. My lilacs seem to have the same blemishes close up.
Did anyone catch the Hampton Court Flower Show on beeb2 last night. They did show roses, but only named a few. I didn't even catch who's stand it was. The usual whoffling from that woman.🙄
Perhaps lilac/lavender roses are sensitive souls @Tack. I’ve had a couple of extremely brief light showers, just spit spots, followed immediately by hot sun so I did wonder if that had caused the slightly ragged, spotted blooms. It is meant to be heat tolerant so in theory should be OK here. Lets see how it goes..
Pheno Geno have a rather lovely looking lavender rose called Lavender Vaza btw. Just saying 😆
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
I have investigated some of these but ony grow Crimson Glory myself. One way to choose might be to go for red tone and scent. CG is a dark red with a strong scent. Crimson Shower is going towards vermillion with a light scent. CG is not particularly thorny. I don't find thorns to be a problem on an arch if you grow them over the outside and prune off wayward laterals.
Crimson Shower is once flowering with small blooms. A plant like Rambling Rosie reports to be a good repeater. @Tack. One thought might to be put in more than one plant. How big is the arch? @Imprevu
@Imprevu Two red roses I would consider: 'Florentina' 'Crimson Siluetta' Neither of them is fragrant and I think both are thorny but I don't know how much. Rambler habit is good for an arch, I would say. If I had to grow one red climber, it would be 'Florentina' because I would choose her health and vigour over fragrant but pampering-needy roses like Tess.
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My dear OH has asked if we can not change the intended color of the climber that needs to cover our entrance arch at the backgarden towards red. I’m not even sure if red is the right coloring for that spot.
.gruss an teplitz ( found only 1 seller in the Netherlands 🇳🇱 )
.prince’s trust ( TCL has it ), but too large?
.crimson glory ( thorny? )
. Perennial Domino ( more rambler style)
. Crimson shower ( rambler)
my OH likes Paul’s scarlet
Requirements : to cover a standard arch, preferably no thorns or a small amount , repeat flowering, but summer flowering if they have a long lasting big flush can be taken into consideration . Would like to have some scent, and preferably large blooms but that last is a nice to have.
In the afternoon tree shade but the tree is dying 🙁. They still give it 2 years and we will replant but it will take years to get that coverage back again ( a mature triple -stem beech that is over 30 years old )
Future will be full south sun in the afternoon. So a full sun spot within 2-3 years . ( south )
so any advice in the red world appreciated because I have no clue tbh ..
I have just come to find out that my red climber, that I lovingly referred to as Toyah, is Paul's scarlet, so I can offer a few comments on how I find that in terms of your above requirements.
It is not thornless, but there are few and small and they have drawn my blood a couple of times.
This is effectively my first year experience with this rose as I only found it last autumn, so don't know if it is a one shot or repeat flowering. Our resident rose guru @Marlorena says it may repeat, and @Eustace says hers does, so it's a good bet.
Mine has no fragrance that I can detect. Blooms are medium size, of upto about 60mm, and a vivid scarlet colour, and are downturned hanging in prolific clusters. I am looking forward to getting mine over the top of my pergola where I think this habit will pay off.
Mine is growing up an inside face of an east facing pergola so gets a fair bit of shade.
The only real downside that I have found is that it Blackspotted early and heavily and is now defoliating badly and looking a bit unkempt.
Hope this helps.
Crimson Shower - vigorous, fast-growing, very long flexible canes, a mass of small blooms, but summer-flowering only, little to no scent. It could be too vigorous for a standard arch, it wanted to climb really high here, probably good for a large tree!
Gruss an Teplitz - I loved this rose, beautiful blooms, deep colour, fragrant, repeat-flowering, few thorns, Assuming it is winter hardy (china heritage) and will get big enough for you in your Belgian climate, it could be a really good choice. I wish I had kept it and found a more amenable location. I’m tempted to try it again…
Prince’s Trust - Fairly pliable and easy to train, lovely big red clusters, seemed healthy, I don’t recall any wicked thorns, light fragrance for me. Potentially a very good option, hardier and probably easier than G an T. I wouldn’t worry about it being too big, David Austin recommends it for a standard arch in the UK.
Pheno Geno have a rather lovely looking lavender rose called Lavender Vaza btw. Just saying 😆
'Florentina'
'Crimson Siluetta'
Neither of them is fragrant and I think both are thorny but I don't know how much.
Rambler habit is good for an arch, I would say.
If I had to grow one red climber, it would be 'Florentina' because I would choose her health and vigour over fragrant but pampering-needy roses like Tess.