@Lizzie27 … only one of those will be going straight into the ground... all the others will be potted up in plastic containers, such as the ones you get from David Austin... I have lots of those... they will spend the winter in the greenhouse and I will judge them next May as to where they will go....I need to smell the blooms, see how they develop etc.. I'm not in any rush to plant bare roots in winter, and these days prefer to grow them on a bit... I use mostly my own garden soil for potting, I find they grow well in it as it's been amended over the years..
..as for rose replant.. 2 things you can do.... replace at least some of the soil in the hole with soil from somewhere else in the garden where roses have not grown.. just a few spade fulls will do from somewhere.. and a sprinkling of mycorrhizal fungi over the roots... this helps a lot and can alleviate the problems although it's not a cure all... these 2 steps are what I take... if you don't do at least one or the other, you will get problems...
Thanks very much for that advice @Marlorena. I had been thinking of putting them in pots temporarily after one of your previous posts (I've got 5 unnamed ones on order) except for one of them which can go in the ground where the old one is. I've got some topsoil ready for substitution as well as Rootgrow. Do you think it would make any difference if I dug the old rose out now and left the ground fallow over the winter?
@Lizzie27 … Lizzie, yes that's what I do as well....I have several spots I'm leaving bare until next Spring when I shall plant the roses from the containers.. end of May time.. …. dig it out as soon as possible and leave the ground to rest for the winter.... it also gives you the opportunity to improve and amend the soil there during this rest period.. but you don't have to leave it bare completely.. I'm planting up one with some tulips, which will be finished by next May... I shall then just yank them out and put a new rose in... ...it's beneficial to put some other plant in place for a temporary period between rose plantings.... I understand that the annual Tagetes or African Marigolds are especially good for this, something to do with microbial action... extensive scientific tests were done by German rose breeder Kordes, and they now use these annuals in their vacant rose fields to facilitate recovery of the soil... but of course these are for the summer only...
That’s good to know @Marlorena, having just dug out some horrible HT’ occupying part of what will be my new rose bed, but, with a slightly different motive. OH hates me binning any plant no matter how poorly/unsuitable, so I dig while the cat’s away, then brace myself for The Return...
I am debating with myself whether to try a compact orange floribunda in my oranges and lemons border, ideally one that will hold it’s colour or at least not turn pink. I can add one more to my TCL order for the same postage. I like the look of Super Trouper - does anyone grow this and if so, how does it do?
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...I don't know Super Trouper so I cannot help you with that one, hope someone else can advise... but here are some late blooms on Austins from my neck of the woods... pouring with rain here, as it has been for days.... 'The Ancient Mariner'.... 'Munstead Wood'... 'Ghislaine de Feligonde'... rambler 'Lady of Shalott'... not a single blemish on this rose.. 'Kew Gardens'... lots of flowers still to come..
...here are some others whilst I'm about it... just in case they may be of interest..
I love this Nerine... preferring this blush white to the usual stark pink one... Clematis 'Burma Star' is one of the longest flowering group 2's that I know of... ..this is Ceanothus 'Gloire de Versailles'... I feel this is an essential shrub for the rose border.. treated like a Buddleia with hard pruning, but it's so much better... constantly in flower from late June to December... I had to move this one earlier so it's just coming out again... Parahebe 'Avalanche'... this will flower into January... a most wonderful little plant for frontal positions... Hakonechloa macra 'Aureola'... I did not get many flowers this year, but brightens up a shady corner... Astrantia 'Warren Hills'... a good white...
@Nollie My OH would also be annoyed if she found out I'd binned Queen Elizabeth. But I haven't told her and doubt she'd ever notice that it was missing!
I've just been in the garden replacing the soil in the holes where Kew Gardens and Queen Elizabeth where.
I dug a new hole for Mortimer S. and used that soil to fill the others. He was in a large pot at the front of the house - carefully dug him out with lots of root.
Then I kept scooping out the soil from the pot until I couldn't see any sign of roots any more. Very deep.
Took out 2-3 large buckets full and used some of this mixed with fresh compost to fill in around Mortimer. Swapped the rest into the garden in an area where I'm not intending to plant roses - took out soil from that area first (surprised by how good quality the soil looked!)
So I've mostly used garden soil, a little left over john Innes no. 3 from when I first filled the pot and some multi purpose to refill the pot back up - ready for Desdemona, when my roses arrive, hopefully in a few weeks.
Glad I got that job out of the way before the rain started. Means I'm all ready now for when the new ones arrive.
Lady of Shallot is going in the same spot where Queen Elizabeth was and Munstead wood will be very near, if not actually in, Kew Gardens former home.
While on my travels this year found a company called Cants of Colchester. Has anyone dealt with this company and bought roses from them. @Nollie talking of orange roses reminded me I have their catalogue. Their HT rose called "Sparkle" was there and it had good colour and fragrance, am tempted to order.
@purplerallim .. Cant's of Colchester go back a long way.. to the 19th C... they are well renowned in the business.. I've not ordered from them... I have spoken to them on the phone... very pleasant, and friendly... so I wouldn't worry about that... their most famous rose is one they no longer offer.... 'Mrs. B.R. Cant'... released over a hundred years ago and so very popular still in many parts of the world... not here so much...
@Mr. Vine Eye all looking good... Queen Elizabeth was a great rose back in the day, but it's had its time now.. a tall lanky grower.. some still rave over it.. but not for me these days... I think you did the right thing personally...
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..as for rose replant.. 2 things you can do.... replace at least some of the soil in the hole with soil from somewhere else in the garden where roses have not grown.. just a few spade fulls will do from somewhere.. and a sprinkling of mycorrhizal fungi over the roots... this helps a lot and can alleviate the problems although it's not a cure all... these 2 steps are what I take... if you don't do at least one or the other, you will get problems...
…. dig it out as soon as possible and leave the ground to rest for the winter.... it also gives you the opportunity to improve and amend the soil there during this rest period.. but you don't have to leave it bare completely.. I'm planting up one with some tulips, which will be finished by next May... I shall then just yank them out and put a new rose in...
...it's beneficial to put some other plant in place for a temporary period between rose plantings.... I understand that the annual Tagetes or African Marigolds are especially good for this, something to do with microbial action... extensive scientific tests were done by German rose breeder Kordes, and they now use these annuals in their vacant rose fields to facilitate recovery of the soil... but of course these are for the summer only...
I am debating with myself whether to try a compact orange floribunda in my oranges and lemons border, ideally one that will hold it’s colour or at least not turn pink. I can add one more to my TCL order for the same postage. I like the look of Super Trouper - does anyone grow this and if so, how does it do?
'The Ancient Mariner'....
'Munstead Wood'...
'Ghislaine de Feligonde'... rambler
'Lady of Shalott'... not a single blemish on this rose..
'Kew Gardens'... lots of flowers still to come..
I love this Nerine... preferring this blush white to the usual stark pink one...
Clematis 'Burma Star' is one of the longest flowering group 2's that I know of...
..this is Ceanothus 'Gloire de Versailles'... I feel this is an essential shrub for the rose border.. treated like a Buddleia with hard pruning, but it's so much better... constantly in flower from late June to December... I had to move this one earlier so it's just coming out again...
Parahebe 'Avalanche'... this will flower into January... a most wonderful little plant for frontal positions...
Hakonechloa macra 'Aureola'... I did not get many flowers this year, but brightens up a shady corner...
Astrantia 'Warren Hills'... a good white...
I've just been in the garden replacing the soil in the holes where Kew Gardens and Queen Elizabeth where.
I dug a new hole for Mortimer S. and used that soil to fill the others. He was in a large pot at the front of the house - carefully dug him out with lots of root.
Then I kept scooping out the soil from the pot until I couldn't see any sign of roots any more. Very deep.
Took out 2-3 large buckets full and used some of this mixed with fresh compost to fill in around Mortimer. Swapped the rest into the garden in an area where I'm not intending to plant roses - took out soil from that area first (surprised by how good quality the soil looked!)
So I've mostly used garden soil, a little left over john Innes no. 3 from when I first filled the pot and some multi purpose to refill the pot back up - ready for Desdemona, when my roses arrive, hopefully in a few weeks.
Glad I got that job out of the way before the rain started. Means I'm all ready now for when the new ones arrive.
Lady of Shallot is going in the same spot where Queen Elizabeth was and Munstead wood will be very near, if not actually in, Kew Gardens former home.
Buds still on Royal Jubilee.
Has anyone dealt with this company and bought roses from them.
@Nollie talking of orange roses reminded me I have their catalogue. Their HT rose called "Sparkle" was there and it had good colour and fragrance, am tempted to order.
@Mr. Vine Eye all looking good... Queen Elizabeth was a great rose back in the day, but it's had its time now.. a tall lanky grower.. some still rave over it.. but not for me these days... I think you did the right thing personally...
Moring mist