@edhelka ok... just to answer some points... if you want to order from Roseraie, I would advise to make a list of about a dozen or so and send it to Becky Hook by email and she can tell you what she has... I found that they didn't have what I wanted in stock for the most part.. they are hobby nursery people, and with being up for sale - last I heard they were moving to California - so I don't know if it's business as usual or not... so do make a list and be prepared for disappointment... ...as for climate... most of us don't have to worry about the winters too much, they are hardy enough for that at least in the southern parts here, it's the cold damp Springs these roses don't like... I kept some in the greenhouse in pots where they flowered earlier as a result as it sort of replicates warmer areas.. 80F in March is what they like..
...as for planting in the ground... most of mine I put straight in, but you can grow them on in pots for a season to establish but remember to disbud in the first year, which will push growth... my best one that I got from them is now 6 foot tall by 10 foot wide, and that was an own root from 5 years ago..... they are very easy to plant with their smaller root systems and were well able to deal with my winters here...
...these are the roses I've had from them... if you want to know anything about them.. a couple are available here grafted... I would recommend 'Le Vesuve' for Nollie in Spain although it's a thorny angular rose with constant bloom... grows well own root or grafted...
'Le Vesuve'.... 'Mlle. Comtesse de Leusse'... 'Cels Multiflore'... 'Odee Pink'... 'Marie Nabonnand'... 'L19 Laos'... 'Unermudliche'... 'Triomphe des Noisettes'...
...I think that's it... I only have 1 of them left, but that was mostly my choice for various reasons... Odee Pink got disease and died...
Ultimately you have to ask yourself whether you want plants that might struggle, or those that will do well for you with minimum fuss but it's nice to try sometimes and see for yourself, with something that few, if any, other people here would be growing... I might have been the only person in the country growing some of those..
Thank you for the warning. They have it mentioned on their site (both the sale of the nursery and the request to contact them), I hope they move because they want to and not because it was some hard bankruptcy. I guess these roses are hard to sell these days and it's good that someone tries to preserve them.
I like diversity in the garden - different type of blooms, colours, grow habit etc. and I see my roses as a collection so I am willing to try and I like the challenge more than growing easy plants. But I am not the most patient person.
I will contact them and see what they have from my list, maybe it will make the decision process easier.
I spotted that sneaky recommendation for me @Marlorena!! A beautiful rose, but I think I am more or less there on my rose selections for my new border to the east of the house, which will get morning/midday sun. I would really welcome your thoughts on it. I am going to keep it simple and go for all pink roses. The purple ones listed will probably be more magenta-ish here (like Wild Rover is) and will all be paler in general.
I am thinking of interplanting with tall purple spikes (e.g. Salvia Verticillata, Verbascum Violetta) and white mounding perennials (hardy geraniums like Kashmir White, Biokovo or whatever can take my climate)
The asterisk against Ivor’s rose is ‘subject to Brexit’ as it only appears to be available from Beales, all others I can get from TCL. The double asterisk ones are to be trained up an obelisk and along some sort of structure respectively. My only concern is I have two very large roses there, so I may have to make a decision to have either Bonica or Ivor.
What do you think? @edhelka and others please feel free to critique too!
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
...they all look good to me... I didn't like Verbascum 'Violetta' so I got rid of it... it didn't flower for long enough whereas other Verbascum's had more repeat blooms on them..
...I would plant all those or pot them up... and see which ones perform best in your garden, or whether you take to them or not... then remove any that you don't like.. admittedly I do this all the time....
Hi @Marlorena, thanks, well buying all and potting them is a good idea. That would give me a chance to get the bed dug and settled in over winter, planting out in spring or even early summer, perhaps after the first flush, so I can see if I like the look of them. If I can persuade OH to let me get rid of a sickly, poorly blooming magnolia stellata, either Bonica or Ivor could go in that space, come to think of it...
Thanks for the info on V. Violetta as well. Perhaps I should keep it really simple with pink roses, purple salvias and white geraniums... although I have ordered some Allium Atropurpureum and their darker burgundy colour might lift it a bit and stop it looking too sugary.
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
@Nollie It looks good. I am also tempted by 'La Rose de Molinard'. 'Ivor's rose' looks good, hopefully you will be able to buy it. I would probably want to mix something single in it (maybe some modern hybrid musk by Lens, they have a good reputation for disease resistance) but that variability can be achieved by perennials and I am sure it will look good.
I would be unsure about the 'Diamond Eyes', but who knows, it's guessing Have you considered its parent, 'Wild Blue Yonder'? I like that rose very much (it's on my wish list) but it's a very different rose than 'Diamond Eyes' so maybe not for you.
BTW I know you like purple. I am also on the quest for the perfect purple rose (I have young 'Minerva', young 'Ebb Tide' and dying 'Midnight Blue'). I ordered 'Purple Lodge' from TCL. I don't remember anyone here having it, if all goes well, I will report about it next year.
Thanks, @edhelka, I did have a couple of white singles on the list until I decided to simplify and achieve the single effect with white geraniums, maybe some potentilla.
Wild Blue Yonder is beautiful, but Diamond Eyes is better for heat/humidity according to Weeks and being darker, I may get a hint of purple from it as purples do get washed out or go pink in my heat.
I was eying up Purple Lodge too, gorgeous, but couldn't find out much about it re heat/disease resistance... did you? I was wondering if that was worth a punt...
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
@Nollie I don't know much. Some people in hot areas with strong sun are happy with it keeping the purple colour and not turning pink. But I don't know anything about humidity and disease resistance. Guessing from its old rose look of the foliage and canes, I expect it to blackspot. Nevertheless, it's too pretty and deserves a chance
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ok... just to answer some points... if you want to order from Roseraie, I would advise to make a list of about a dozen or so and send it to Becky Hook by email and she can tell you what she has... I found that they didn't have what I wanted in stock for the most part.. they are hobby nursery people, and with being up for sale - last I heard they were moving to California - so I don't know if it's business as usual or not... so do make a list and be prepared for disappointment...
...as for climate... most of us don't have to worry about the winters too much, they are hardy enough for that at least in the southern parts here, it's the cold damp Springs these roses don't like... I kept some in the greenhouse in pots where they flowered earlier as a result as it sort of replicates warmer areas.. 80F in March is what they like..
...as for planting in the ground... most of mine I put straight in, but you can grow them on in pots for a season to establish but remember to disbud in the first year, which will push growth... my best one that I got from them is now 6 foot tall by 10 foot wide, and that was an own root from 5 years ago..... they are very easy to plant with their smaller root systems and were well able to deal with my winters here...
...these are the roses I've had from them... if you want to know anything about them..
a couple are available here grafted... I would recommend 'Le Vesuve' for Nollie in Spain although it's a thorny angular rose with constant bloom... grows well own root or grafted...
'Le Vesuve'.... 'Mlle. Comtesse de Leusse'... 'Cels Multiflore'... 'Odee Pink'... 'Marie Nabonnand'... 'L19 Laos'... 'Unermudliche'... 'Triomphe des Noisettes'...
...I think that's it... I only have 1 of them left, but that was mostly my choice for various reasons... Odee Pink got disease and died...
Ultimately you have to ask yourself whether you want plants that might struggle, or those that will do well for you with minimum fuss but it's nice to try sometimes and see for yourself, with something that few, if any, other people here would be growing... I might have been the only person in the country growing some of those..
..oh.. here's a photo of what they look like when you receive them.... good sizeable plants.. there are 5 here..
I am thinking of interplanting with tall purple spikes (e.g. Salvia Verticillata, Verbascum Violetta) and white mounding perennials (hardy geraniums like Kashmir White, Biokovo or whatever can take my climate)
The asterisk against Ivor’s rose is ‘subject to Brexit’ as it only appears to be available from Beales, all others I can get from TCL. The double asterisk ones are to be trained up an obelisk and along some sort of structure respectively. My only concern is I have two very large roses there, so I may have to make a decision to have either Bonica or Ivor.
What do you think? @edhelka and others please feel free to critique too!
...I would plant all those or pot them up... and see which ones perform best in your garden, or whether you take to them or not... then remove any that you don't like.. admittedly I do this all the time....
Thanks for the info on V. Violetta as well. Perhaps I should keep it really simple with pink roses, purple salvias and white geraniums... although I have ordered some Allium Atropurpureum and their darker burgundy colour might lift it a bit and stop it looking too sugary.
Wild Blue Yonder is beautiful, but Diamond Eyes is better for heat/humidity according to Weeks and being darker, I may get a hint of purple from it as purples do get washed out or go pink in my heat.
I was eying up Purple Lodge too, gorgeous, but couldn't find out much about it re heat/disease resistance... did you? I was wondering if that was worth a punt...