Probably having a better rose-growing climate than mine @Alchemist! I do suffer badly from blackspot, as it can get quite humid with heavy summer rain here in the mountains, then the sun comes out and burns them! None of the above mentioned measures prevents BS, but helps to keep it under control a bit.
I am always puzzled as to how people can grow lavender next to roses (oft cited as a classic combo) as the roses need a richer soil than the lavender, and the latter needs a lighter, free-draining soil... I find Nepeta copes better and doesn’t mind the odd inadvertent feed destined for the roses.
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
@Alchemist There is no hard rule. Some roses are so disease-resistant that they don't care about humidity around. Some roses will have fungal problems no matter how much air flow you give them. Ironically, it can be a good idea to hide them in perennials because the fungal issues are less visible then Climate is a huge factor. Blackspot needs temperature around 20–26.7°C and high humidity (wet leaves) for 7 consecutive hours. When it's too hot or too cold, it can't thrive. In some locations, blackspot is no issue and in some it's inevitable.
Another factor for planting distances and plants health is soil. In good and very fertile soil, one can get away with much closer distances and plants are still happy, getting everything they need. I absolutely love this garden on HMF and I think he either has very fertile soil or he waters and feeds often (and also, fungal diseases are much less problem in his climate than here). On the other hand, people in dry American states often plant with much more space between bushes to preserve water and eliminate any competition for water.
@Nollie I grow lavender with roses But I have light and free-draining soil. Much better for lavenders than roses. I add compost and manure to planting holes for roses and mulch around them, lavenders don't get these goodies. They do get some residual fertiliser but they don't mind. I am happy that I bought a house with many lavenders, otherwise I would be too afraid to grow them, thinking it is too acidic for them here, but they also don't mind. I think as long as the soil drains freely, they are happy.
Hello roses lovers. has anyone looked at Papa Meilland as apposed to Papa Meilland jubilee. My thoughts are that PM jubilee does not have the same velvet on all the petals as apposed Papa Meilland. The growth on jubilee is much stronger and without disease. Can anyone confirm before I order my rose for this year. Thank you Val
My soil is good has been amended over the years with loads of manure /compost and is free draining. So I guess in our conditions, sadly, ample space may be a prerequisite. I’ll move the lavender/ rosemary to another part if I find the time after finishing the other autumn tasks which I’m seriously behind on! Else it’s gotta wait -may be CPM would have gotten a bit stronger as she is in her 1st year.
With regards to lavender, we grow with this with 2 other roses and don’t do anything specific. Whilst watering (when hot) we only water the rose and lavender has always been in great health. After flowering we cut it down to around 6 inches or the last green bit, from its 2 feet form every year, and it comes back very healthy and bushy. This year it’s already grown almost a foot from summer pruning!
Maybe lavender just hates me I have no problem growing nepeta, agastache, salvia and other similar things in my amended clay soil with lots of grit in.
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
Sounds like my rose problems in crammed mixed beds May its to do with drainage? We grow lavender just a feet away from Annabel hydrangeas that needs a bucket of water after a rain! But I’ve noticed in this part of the garden there is never any run offs and the water goes straight though.
However is another part of our garden close to a wall, where we wanted to grow roses, annoyingly the water puddles and no amount of grit has helped. So we have resorted to growing everything in post!
I grow Lavender with roses, very close by and they don't mind a bit of luxury … the plants to avoid growing anywhere near roses are Helianthemums... I have lost several very quickly by coming into contact with rose food, mulches and composted manures...
@valerieroberts … Sorry, I'm not clear from your post which rose you are wanting to buy... I've grown both of those... Jubilee Papa Meilland is very tall and lanky, and throws up straight canes with a huge scented red bloom on the top... unfortunately it can ball in wet weather... lovely foliage, very healthy.. thorny too.. 'Papa Meilland' is a smaller plant with nodding weak necks.. yes it's more velvety and strongly scented but sometimes looks a bit sorry for itself and needs mollycoddling in my experience of it..
@PeggyTX Thank you, I like its deeper autumn colour too. In summer, it can be anywhere between light pink and light apricot. It's a good bloomer and disease resistant, a small compact rose, front of border or a perfect candidate for layering in front of a bigger or climbing rose with bare legs.
@Marlorena I've been researching roses from the catalog of La Roseraie du Désert (thank you for the recommendation). They do have some roses I want. But I am really worried about some of them here, even more on own roots. Researching those roses is complicated because most of tea, china and noisette growers are from much wormer climate, it's hard to find someone having success with them in colder climates and also because there isn't a good equivalent of our climate in the US (maybe pacific northwest? I don't know). On the other hand, the climate of the Roseraie du Désert also isn't warm but is more continental with warmer summers than I have. I am not worried about my winters, we get very little frost here and I can overwinter plants like pelargoniums without any protection, but I am worried about our cool summers. Our summer here is 2-3°C colder than in south or west England. I am also worried about them growing and establishing very slowly on their own roots. I guess that teas and noisettes sold by British sellers are somewhat hardy and well growing at least in warmer parts of the UK but there aren't many of them which speaks for itself. Obviously, if I am going to buy something from the Roseraie du Désert, it's going to be something I can't easily buy locally.
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I am always puzzled as to how people can grow lavender next to roses (oft cited as a classic combo) as the roses need a richer soil than the lavender, and the latter needs a lighter, free-draining soil... I find Nepeta copes better and doesn’t mind the odd inadvertent feed destined for the roses.
Climate is a huge factor. Blackspot needs temperature around 20–26.7°C and high humidity (wet leaves) for 7 consecutive hours. When it's too hot or too cold, it can't thrive. In some locations, blackspot is no issue and in some it's inevitable.
has anyone looked at Papa Meilland as apposed to Papa Meilland jubilee. My thoughts are that PM jubilee does not have the same velvet on all the petals as apposed Papa Meilland. The growth on jubilee is much stronger and without disease. Can anyone confirm before I order my rose for this year. Thank you Val
With regards to lavender, we grow with this with 2 other roses and don’t do anything specific. Whilst watering (when hot) we only water the rose and lavender has always been in great health. After flowering we cut it down to around 6 inches or the last green bit, from its 2 feet form every year, and it comes back very healthy and bushy. This year it’s already grown almost a foot from summer pruning!
@valerieroberts … Sorry, I'm not clear from your post which rose you are wanting to buy... I've grown both of those... Jubilee Papa Meilland is very tall and lanky, and throws up straight canes with a huge scented red bloom on the top... unfortunately it can ball in wet weather... lovely foliage, very healthy.. thorny too..
'Papa Meilland' is a smaller plant with nodding weak necks.. yes it's more velvety and strongly scented but sometimes looks a bit sorry for itself and needs mollycoddling in my experience of it..
I am not worried about my winters, we get very little frost here and I can overwinter plants like pelargoniums without any protection, but I am worried about our cool summers. Our summer here is 2-3°C colder than in south or west England. I am also worried about them growing and establishing very slowly on their own roots.
I guess that teas and noisettes sold by British sellers are somewhat hardy and well growing at least in warmer parts of the UK but there aren't many of them which speaks for itself. Obviously, if I am going to buy something from the Roseraie du Désert, it's going to be something I can't easily buy locally.