@Daniel Rutherford … Daniel... I don't do anything at all really other than by selection... I have a certain tolerance level which is likely higher than most, but if that gets broken too many times then the rose is gone.. simple as that.. eventually I build up a collection of roses I can live with.. but most will get disease issues at some point... it's up to the gardener how much you think it's worth it and what you can live with, without sprays...
...at the end of each season I look at all my roses and say... that's out... that's out.. and that's out... then bring in the new....
@Marlorena that make sense as I have been keeping an eye on which roses have suffered worse for me with diseases such as summer song, wisley, darcey Bussell and lady Emma Hamilton and so if they suffer even worse without sprays they won’t look great!!
Although I could easily live with diseases as long as it didn’t look terrible on the plant!!
@Daniel Rutherford You can have diseased roses even with spraying and healthy roses without it. Spraying certainly helps but doesn't mean immunity against fungal diseases. I remember reading about some roses trials where they compared both situations - with spraying and without it - for roses and counted the percentage of leaves affected by bs. And I was surprised how small the difference was, it wasn't like 0 vs 100% but more like 30 vs 50%. Unfortunately, I don't remember where I read it.
@edhelka yeah I get what u mean cause them roses mentioned before still had disease very bad even though I had sprayed to prevent it!
i mean I’m still learning what’s best for roses anyways so don’t know a lot about spraying which is why I can’t compare spraying and not spraying on mine but just hoping the results with not spraying can hopefully not be too bad in if I do so!
@Daniel Rutherford... all those are Austin roses... if they are in the first year then they will improve dramatically with age.... it should be pointed out that the rootstock cannot supply these roses with all their needs in the first growing season... to produce those big scented blooms everyone falls in love with, needs lots of water and resources that the rootstock cannot find whilst young.. ....this is why it's important not to judge them too hastily.. after the rootstock has been through a couple of winters it should become more self reliant, and you will see a huge difference in your Austin roses... including health... the trade off in the early years is a weakened immune system, weak necks, droopy flowers and often poor growth... ...this is why I think they have a 5 year guarantee... in 2012 they introduced a rose called 'Heathcliff'... within 5 years it was gone... probably too many issues, complaints, refunds etc...
...I realise not everyone gardens the way I do with roses... I spend probably something like £200 - £300 a year on roses... I mean 4 potted Austins will set you back £100.. plus the bare roots... but I love spending money on new roses... so it's something I am used to doing.. and this way I find out what I like, and what I don't like... sometimes it pays to buy more of the same rose if that one has done especially well...
@Marlorena That does ring a bell, but I think I must go back to the Dobbies outlet and see if they have a similar one to confirm it.
Regarding spraying, I used to spray up to about a month ago but frankly didn’t really see much effect anyway. I’ve since stopped spraying altogether and actually my roses are now healthier than they’ve ever been with hardly any blackspots, but I’m not sure how much of that is down to the weather now which is less wet than in August. Also I found that most of my roses developed blackspots soon after being transplanted but the more established ones seem to be more resistant to them. Perhaps it’s iust a phase of reduced immunity as part of the transplant sickness?
Rose addiction is real. Never had roses before, I only intended to buy one climbing rose last Autumn- then it turned into 2, then 3... I'm set to have 15 roses by November (9 David Austin)
I agree about the need to sniff test roses yourself if possible and to see them in flower. I liked the look of Gentle Hermione but the flowers are very similar in colour and scent to the Generous Gardener which I already have.
Ive only got a small garden so I'm going for as much variety as possible.
Care wise, I've not used any chemicals - the only rose with blackspot is Remembrance which is also in a pot. That's disappointing since I don't care for the colour, it has no scent and it's only redeeming feature was supposed to be healthiness...
Queen Elizabeth has pretty, large blooms but I'm not that keen on the colour and it doesn't have much scent. So those two won't last but at least they were cheap!
Ive not pampered the roses at all. I only watered them in, and watered once a week when we had really dry weather in April, then left them to it. I fed them once when growth started, then forgot to do it again.
Thanks for posting more pictures @celcius_kkw, I looked up Raspberry Royale on Beales site. I often overlook the small roses, as I have a smallish garden, I tend to look for large plants (if that makes sense🤔).
@Omori, your Fetzer Syrah Rosè is beautiful. I think your pictures are nicer than on the Harkness site.
I'm not sure if my roses might be done for this year, apart from my older climbers. I have buds on plants but they have been buds for a couple of weeks now, not sure if they will open. I will entertain myself by looking for an ostentatious but weatherproof rose for my front garden. Fantasy shopping as I think Nollie called it, as I cannot plant due to work being planned.
Gentle Hermione gives me a lot of untypical blooms, far more than typical. I am not even sure if it has some typical blooms They can go from just barely full flowers to very full. Sometimes they are a bit ruffled, sometimes perfectly formed. Sometimes light pink, sometimes pink apricot blend. And even on HMF where I would expect much nicer specimens than my poor struggler, every bloom looks different. The scent is myrrh but it isn't pure myrrh (like for example Scepter'd Isle), I would say mixed with old rose. It's like rose scent with addition of menthol candy. Scepter'd Isle is pure liquorice. The Generous Gardener - I am not sure, it feels like a mix of everything and I can't easily recognize the notes. Anyway, I realized I like old rose and fruity or old rose and tea mixes much more than myrrh mixes.
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...at the end of each season I look at all my roses and say... that's out... that's out.. and that's out... then bring in the new....
Although I could easily live with diseases as long as it didn’t look terrible on the plant!!
i mean I’m still learning what’s best for roses anyways so don’t know a lot about spraying which is why I can’t compare spraying and not spraying on mine but just hoping the results with not spraying can hopefully not be too bad in if I do so!
....this is why it's important not to judge them too hastily.. after the rootstock has been through a couple of winters it should become more self reliant, and you will see a huge difference in your Austin roses... including health... the trade off in the early years is a weakened immune system, weak necks, droopy flowers and often poor growth...
...this is why I think they have a 5 year guarantee... in 2012 they introduced a rose called 'Heathcliff'... within 5 years it was gone... probably too many issues, complaints, refunds etc...
...I realise not everyone gardens the way I do with roses... I spend probably something like £200 - £300 a year on roses... I mean 4 potted Austins will set you back £100.. plus the bare roots... but I love spending money on new roses... so it's something I am used to doing.. and this way I find out what I like, and what I don't like... sometimes it pays to buy more of the same rose if that one has done especially well...
Regarding spraying, I used to spray up to about a month ago but frankly didn’t really see much effect anyway. I’ve since stopped spraying altogether and actually my roses are now healthier than they’ve ever been with hardly any blackspots, but I’m not sure how much of that is down to the weather now which is less wet than in August. Also I found that most of my roses developed blackspots soon after being transplanted but the more established ones seem to be more resistant to them. Perhaps it’s iust a phase of reduced immunity as part of the transplant sickness?
I agree about the need to sniff test roses yourself if possible and to see them in flower. I liked the look of Gentle Hermione but the flowers are very similar in colour and scent to the Generous Gardener which I already have.
Ive only got a small garden so I'm going for as much variety as possible.
Care wise, I've not used any chemicals - the only rose with blackspot is Remembrance which is also in a pot. That's disappointing since I don't care for the colour, it has no scent and it's only redeeming feature was supposed to be healthiness...
Queen Elizabeth has pretty, large blooms but I'm not that keen on the colour and it doesn't have much scent. So those two won't last but at least they were cheap!
Ive not pampered the roses at all. I only watered them in, and watered once a week when we had really dry weather in April, then left them to it. I fed them once when growth started, then forgot to do it again.
But they've done really well for first year.
@Omori, your Fetzer Syrah Rosè is beautiful. I think your pictures are nicer than on the Harkness site.
I'm not sure if my roses might be done for this year, apart from my older climbers. I have buds on plants but they have been buds for a couple of weeks now, not sure if they will open. I will entertain myself by looking for an ostentatious but weatherproof rose for my front garden. Fantasy shopping as I think Nollie called it, as I cannot plant due to work being planned.