I consider myself to be fairly interested in Politics, fairly intelligent and able to understand the facts, but we're not being given facts, it's all rhetoric.
What do the CBI say? the Institute of Directors? The Trades Unions?
The Chambers of Commerce says it won't take sides as its members disagree.
What do Honda and Nissan and BMW say? Are they more likely to carry on building cars in if we left? or less likely?
Politicians are the classic " here to-day, gone tomorrow " types. They'll do anything to feather their own beds.
I couldn't give a flying fig what Cameron or Farrage think.
Does anyone think Boris doesn't have his eye on No 10? which might be influencing his decision.
I hope we get decent impartial information between now and then.
As has been said by others. I'm old enough that it probably won't have any great detrimental effect on my life, in , or out,, but I have children whom I adore and I want the best for them .
Without real information how do I make that decision which they'll be stuck with long after I'm gone?
When we voted last time, I thought we were voting for a common market. Free trade across the borders of the EEC.
We had taxes slapped on imports from commonwealth countries, so lost a lot of links with New Zealand, Australia and Canada. Food went up in price because of it. Imports from the EEC cost more than imports from the commonwealth.
I never voted for us to fund healthcare, education and welfare for economic migrants from all over the EEC and now all over Africa as well.
I never voted for a United States of Europe with 27 member states, many of whom have wildly differing cultural values to us.
Some German minister was on the TV last night. He was asked what he would do if Britain voted Out. He said he would cry. The French farmers want to be able to still sell to us. The Polish government were jubilant at the agreement... they said we were paying their welfare bill. While we are propping up the rest of Europe with the biggest contributions, we have failing hospitals,health centres and schools. They cant afford for us to leave. We need to call their bluff.
No, Verdun. But I have difficulty believing any politician these days. Even my own MP who I voted for
I'm edging towards In. The EU needs reformed. Clearly. However, we can't reform it from the outside. And if we were outside, we'd still be doing most of our trade with them. I'd rather remain in, trade with them and try to further reform it, than be outside complaining about the difficulty of trading with them.
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If all of the other members pick and choose what rules to obey, why don't we do the same?
What happens to the rule-breakers?
I'm like many others: undecided.
I consider myself to be fairly interested in Politics, fairly intelligent and able to understand the facts, but we're not being given facts, it's all rhetoric.
What do the CBI say? the Institute of Directors? The Trades Unions?
The Chambers of Commerce says it won't take sides as its members disagree.
What do Honda and Nissan and BMW say? Are they more likely to carry on building cars in if we left? or less likely?
Politicians are the classic " here to-day, gone tomorrow " types. They'll do anything to feather their own beds.
I couldn't give a flying fig what Cameron or Farrage think.
Does anyone think Boris doesn't have his eye on No 10? which might be influencing his decision.
I hope we get decent impartial information between now and then.
Well said Hosta.
As has been said by others. I'm old enough that it probably won't have any great detrimental effect on my life, in , or out,, but I have children whom I adore and I want the best for them .
Without real information how do I make that decision which they'll be stuck with long after I'm gone?
Exactly my thoughts Hosta
The whole EU thing is tricky - I feel we 'ordinary folk' don't have enough unbiased and rational information to make decisions at the moment.
On a slight tangent - I've just been laughing at shiny Dave's cod Scottish accent (along with his other ones!) ....I'm saying nowt...
I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
When we voted last time, I thought we were voting for a common market. Free trade across the borders of the EEC.
We had taxes slapped on imports from commonwealth countries, so lost a lot of links with New Zealand, Australia and Canada. Food went up in price because of it. Imports from the EEC cost more than imports from the commonwealth.
I never voted for us to fund healthcare, education and welfare for economic migrants from all over the EEC and now all over Africa as well.
I never voted for a United States of Europe with 27 member states, many of whom have wildly differing cultural values to us.
Some German minister was on the TV last night. He was asked what he would do if Britain voted Out. He said he would cry. The French farmers want to be able to still sell to us. The Polish government were jubilant at the agreement... they said we were paying their welfare bill. While we are propping up the rest of Europe with the biggest contributions, we have failing hospitals,health centres and schools. They cant afford for us to leave. We need to call their bluff.
Trading agreement yes. Open borders no.
No, Verdun. But I have difficulty believing any politician these days. Even my own MP who I voted for
I'm edging towards In. The EU needs reformed. Clearly. However, we can't reform it from the outside. And if we were outside, we'd still be doing most of our trade with them. I'd rather remain in, trade with them and try to further reform it, than be outside complaining about the difficulty of trading with them.
Part of my trouble in coming to a decision is that fact that , for those my age , (53) we've always been in.
The last referendum took place when I was still in school.
I have no memories of " before"