Fellow gardeners. A stimulating discussion has developed that has more or less stayed on topic.
It was not meant to be an invitation to broadcast our general political views per se, (As there was a drift here and there!!), but it does seem that most have a passion for the good, sitting on either side of our EU design restricted fences.
Obviously, we all have our opinions and as such, contrasting views were broadcasted.
I did post for a discussion on how we felt about being told what we can and can’t do in our own garden spaces and it seems that influences regarding our political views were fanned a little more than I expected!!
As I have not indicated where I am on the issue I would like to say I am in favor of voting out, so that I as an individual, can make my own decisions on what I can and can’t use, taking into account many of the reasons for and against that have been previously been posted.
Sorry. I didn’t intend to start a topic that would rev anyone up but I do hope that whatever the outcome is we can all continue to have pleasure from our gardens even if the stuff that worked yesterday isn’t available today. I guess younger or newer gardeners won’t know the difference and we all just have to get on with it, with what we have, and work a little harder or smarter. Say Hi to spring for me. I’ll be home soon.
Opting out of the EU doesn't allow individuals the right to make their own descisions. We all have to abide by laws, rules and regulations. I suspect that should we vote to leave the EU there will be a long time before anything that affects how we garden is changed. There will be bigger fish to fry.
I hardly ever comment on contentious threads but I do think that virtually everyone has remained on topic and personal attacks have been avoided. I am one of the great undecided - I pretty much have Dove's outlook on life but do worry a little about being ruled by Brussels. I am currently really frustrated about the lack of concrete facts we are being given and feel really ill informed. All of the politicians are too busy scoring points off each other and trying to scare us into sharing their point of view. I have no confidence in any of them.
Exactly Yviestevie - any facts and figures given are used to score points and mostly without reference to a source. As I said, I shall decide on voting day and just go with my gut feeling - that way I needn't listen to any of them and can spend my time out in the garden instead
On balance, I'd rather have the EU keeping Westminster in check than rely solely on Westminster behaving themselves. The idea of the Tories drafting a sensible Bill of Rights or Health and Safety laws continuously sends a shiver up my spine.
Aym Japan invaded China in 1931 as an act of war. Singapore and Malaysia came later in 1942. It did so because it was without sufficient natural resources to fuel the war effort. Japan's expansion during WW2 was in an effort to provide a ring of security against the British and Americans who posed a threat to Japanese ambitions primarily those of General Tojo. It had nothing to do with Japan's geological issues.
Germany being the largest economy within the EU already pull the strings and have done so since the inception of the EU with France being a willing sidekick.
The problem with the EU is that it has become a monolithic organisation which takes more to administer than it produces. That is one of the most serious failings of the EU. It spends as much on administration as it gives out in grants which is no way to run an organisation of any description. Germany is cognisant of this and is quietly trying to change this. Germany has dominated Europe since the setting up of the Common Market so has achieved the aims set by those who conceived the idea in the first place. Churchill warned of this scenario in the 1950's but was informed by nearly everyone.
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Fellow gardeners. A stimulating discussion has developed that has more or less stayed on topic.
It was not meant to be an invitation to broadcast our general political views per se, (As there was a drift here and there!!), but it does seem that most have a passion for the good, sitting on either side of our EU design restricted fences.
Obviously, we all have our opinions and as such, contrasting views were broadcasted.
I did post for a discussion on how we felt about being told what we can and can’t do in our own garden spaces and it seems that influences regarding our political views were fanned a little more than I expected!!
As I have not indicated where I am on the issue I would like to say I am in favor of voting out, so that I as an individual, can make my own decisions on what I can and can’t use, taking into account many of the reasons for and against that have been previously been posted.
Sorry. I didn’t intend to start a topic that would rev anyone up but I do hope that whatever the outcome is we can all continue to have pleasure from our gardens even if the stuff that worked yesterday isn’t available today. I guess younger or newer gardeners won’t know the difference and we all just have to get on with it, with what we have, and work a little harder or smarter. Say Hi to spring for me. I’ll be home soon.
Perhaps we should leave the UN? It's the Stockholm Convention that has banned many pesticides. (Tongue in Cheek smiley needed
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_Convention_on_Persistent_Organic_Pollutants
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
I hardly ever comment on contentious threads but I do think that virtually everyone has remained on topic and personal attacks have been avoided. I am one of the great undecided - I pretty much have Dove's outlook on life but do worry a little about being ruled by Brussels. I am currently really frustrated about the lack of concrete facts we are being given and feel really ill informed. All of the politicians are too busy scoring points off each other and trying to scare us into sharing their point of view. I have no confidence in any of them.
Exactly Yviestevie - any facts and figures given are used to score points and mostly without reference to a source. As I said, I shall decide on voting day and just go with my gut feeling - that way I needn't listen to any of them and can spend my time out in the garden instead
On balance, I'd rather have the EU keeping Westminster in check than rely solely on Westminster behaving themselves. The idea of the Tories drafting a sensible Bill of Rights or Health and Safety laws continuously sends a shiver up my spine.
The very first thing you need to know about the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) is that it has nothing to do with the European Union.
The ECHR is not a EU treaty and membership of the EU does not formally require us to be signatories.
The EU has no responsibility or oversight of the ECHR, which is separately upheld by domestic courts and the European Court of Human Rights.
Aym Japan invaded China in 1931 as an act of war. Singapore and Malaysia came later in 1942. It did so because it was without sufficient natural resources to fuel the war effort. Japan's expansion during WW2 was in an effort to provide a ring of security against the British and Americans who posed a threat to Japanese ambitions primarily those of General Tojo. It had nothing to do with Japan's geological issues.
Germany being the largest economy within the EU already pull the strings and have done so since the inception of the EU with France being a willing sidekick.
The problem with the EU is that it has become a monolithic organisation which takes more to administer than it produces. That is one of the most serious failings of the EU. It spends as much on administration as it gives out in grants which is no way to run an organisation of any description. Germany is cognisant of this and is quietly trying to change this. Germany has dominated Europe since the setting up of the Common Market so has achieved the aims set by those who conceived the idea in the first place. Churchill warned of this scenario in the 1950's but was informed by nearly everyone.
In or out mmmmmmmmmmm, well what do we have to show for this country? what have we got left ?, churches closing down
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