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In Or Out Of The EU Garden?

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  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039

    Anyone see Boris, on the Politics Show? After that, you would do the opposite of anything he said!!

    How can you lie there and think of England
    When you don't even know who's in the team

    S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
  • Busy-LizzieBusy-Lizzie Posts: 24,036

    Again I agree with Dove.

    Verdun, in answer to your question, I have been involved with the re-housing in a local village here in Dordogne of 2 families from Iraq who were picked up of the streets by a charity, having been thrown out of their homes by ISIS. One mother was pregnant, her baby was born here in a local hospital, they have 4 other children and narrowly escaped having their throats cut. I have also given beggars in our local town a meal, clothing and a sleeping bag to one young girl who was shivering.

    But all that is not anything to do with Europe and whether the UK leaves it. It would probably be disastrous for ex-pats if the UK leaves Europe. Over 20,000 in Dordogne and over 170,000 in France, over 300,000 in Spain. Who knows what will happen to their pensions and their health care.

    Dordogne and Norfolk. Clay in Dordogne, sandy in Norfolk.
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,087

    Frank - home  grown British bureaucrats in council and government offices are well known for over interpreting EU rules.   Their tendency to interfere will only diminish when they are of better general calibre and that means paying better salaries - pay peanuts, get monkeys.  

    Same applies to Sainsbury's and care homes and fruit picking - poor conditions and low wages are not going to entice the long term British unemployed off its sofa and away from its satellite TV.    UK benefit systems need to change so it's better to work than not.

    On the other hand, improving those very same wages and conditions will entice more migrant labour.  Simple economics of the wages of picking fruit or wiping bottoms in Roumania or in the UK.   If Britain stays in the EU it can work to introduce and influence policies that will improve life and work in the poorer countries and thus spread wealth and security.    

    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • Invicta2Invicta2 Posts: 663

    I think the need for people to come here and do jobs in the future is being exagerated. Technology is about to make a lot of jobs superfluous. Trucks, buses cars will become driverless in the 2020s. The japanese have made enormous progress in developing robots that will reduce the numbers of carers needed to help with the elderly. Office jobs will be lost to computers [e-receptionist adverts] or can be done from overseas. It doesn't mean there is no need for immigrants, but we should certainly sort the sheep from the goats before they are allowed in. You may find difficulty recruiting locals in Devon but here in the North of England you get graduates taking those jobs whilst looking for something better. The EU is led by Germany and thet certainly failed to do any checks on the migrants they allowed in last summer and now expect other countries to take. I am not a fan of the current government but I think their policy of taking families and women and children direct from Syria is a far truer way of helping the plight of genuine refugees than the EU hapless reaction. The incompetence of the EU leads to more votes for the far right and to peoople admiring Putin, they appear utterly shambolic at the present time.

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