It looks to me as though the EU is tottering above a precipice anyway - were we to vote "out" it might only hasten its fall ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, which looks inevitable.
I don't think we are the only country which isn't totally satisfied with the way in which things have worked out - the original concept of a free trade area has been overtaken (some might say "smothered") by a load of bureaucrats in Brussels whose agenda seems somewhat different. If the people of the UK vote to leave, it'll be interesting to see who follows, as I reckon our departure would just be the start of the unravelling which is bound to happen eventually anyway.
I don't do newspapapers Verdun, I get my news from a variety of sources. The Fail is a vile right wing pile of nonsense tho.
I'm not ridiculing anyone, merely pointing out that the Fail has been caught out on many occassions.
The products mentioned by Simon in the OP would have mostly been banned or regulated without the EU due to their excitingly carcinogenic or toxic properties!
And to keep this on topic. What would we, those who are old enough that is to remember, have back in our gardens/sheds and associated businesses that Brussels has told us we have to do without?
Perhaps you don't realise that the bureaucrats in Brussels are sent there by the member countries. The UK has its fair share of jobsworths and others working in EU institutions and also on the outside lobbying those institutions on behalf of vested interests from businesses to charities.
It's always better to change and improve things from the inside. We are also culturally closer to Europe than anywhere else in the world.
As a gardener, I see the influence of British gardening here on the continent but also vice versa. I don't want to use chemicals like creosote or DDT or their successors because I care about my family's health and my descendants' health and the health and balance of the countryside around me. Any responsible government would ban them and the so-called anonymous Brussels bureaucrats who drew up those rules had their fair share of Brits in the mix.
I hope they continue to do so as there is much still to be done. Nor do I think withdrawing from Europe will improve the quality of home-grown politicians at local or regional level. You do that at the ballot box by voting for the best person and not blindly for some party.
Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
If other EU countries played by the rules the commission issued then I'd vote to stay. However as they all decide to pick and choose what rules they'll abide by to suit themselves I can only assume it's not in our interests to stay. They will eventually ban glyphosate, it's already banned in France, and no doubt many other useful garden products which we will end up being without. Ash die back came from imported trees from the EU. Our farmers are overburdened by EU rules which other countries ignore, and the changes to UK law imposed by the European Courts are often unsound. I can see there will be disadvantages to leaving but there will also be advantages, especially where trade is concerned, however I cannot see the EU suddenly making life difficult for the 5th largest economy in the world, when the EU needs the UK more than ever.
Security co-operation would continue in its present form as its governed by NATO, and security issues won't be discarded as they need our Security Services more than ever in the current climate.
Despite all this I am still undecided on which way to vote, or will I get so bored of it all by the time the referendum comes that I'll sleep through it?
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It looks to me as though the EU is tottering above a precipice anyway - were we to vote "out" it might only hasten its fall ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, which looks inevitable.
I don't think we are the only country which isn't totally satisfied with the way in which things have worked out - the original concept of a free trade area has been overtaken (some might say "smothered") by a load of bureaucrats in Brussels whose agenda seems somewhat different. If the people of the UK vote to leave, it'll be interesting to see who follows, as I reckon our departure would just be the start of the unravelling which is bound to happen eventually anyway.
I don't do newspapapers Verdun, I get my news from a variety of sources. The Fail is a vile right wing pile of nonsense tho.
I'm not ridiculing anyone, merely pointing out that the Fail has been caught out on many occassions.
The products mentioned by Simon in the OP would have mostly been banned or regulated without the EU due to their excitingly carcinogenic or toxic properties!
And to keep this on topic. What would we, those who are old enough that is to remember, have back in our gardens/sheds and associated businesses that Brussels has told us we have to do without?
Just a few here that worked.
https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?pid=820
Not sure , there are good reasons to go or stay in
Seems to be lack of facts , just assumptions as nobody knowns what the future hold
Guess it is just down to how you feel on the day
On June 23rd I will feel the way I always feel...................With my hands
Perhaps you don't realise that the bureaucrats in Brussels are sent there by the member countries. The UK has its fair share of jobsworths and others working in EU institutions and also on the outside lobbying those institutions on behalf of vested interests from businesses to charities.
It's always better to change and improve things from the inside. We are also culturally closer to Europe than anywhere else in the world.
As a gardener, I see the influence of British gardening here on the continent but also vice versa. I don't want to use chemicals like creosote or DDT or their successors because I care about my family's health and my descendants' health and the health and balance of the countryside around me. Any responsible government would ban them and the so-called anonymous Brussels bureaucrats who drew up those rules had their fair share of Brits in the mix.
I hope they continue to do so as there is much still to be done. Nor do I think withdrawing from Europe will improve the quality of home-grown politicians at local or regional level. You do that at the ballot box by voting for the best person and not blindly for some party.
If other EU countries played by the rules the commission issued then I'd vote to stay. However as they all decide to pick and choose what rules they'll abide by to suit themselves I can only assume it's not in our interests to stay. They will eventually ban glyphosate, it's already banned in France, and no doubt many other useful garden products which we will end up being without. Ash die back came from imported trees from the EU. Our farmers are overburdened by EU rules which other countries ignore, and the changes to UK law imposed by the European Courts are often unsound. I can see there will be disadvantages to leaving but there will also be advantages, especially where trade is concerned, however I cannot see the EU suddenly making life difficult for the 5th largest economy in the world, when the EU needs the UK more than ever.
Security co-operation would continue in its present form as its governed by NATO, and security issues won't be discarded as they need our Security Services more than ever in the current climate.
Despite all this I am still undecided on which way to vote, or will I get so bored of it all by the time the referendum comes that I'll sleep through it?