Does it really matter what they wear, within reason. Each one has their own style. It's the plants and gardens that should be on show. (And Chris Beardshaw, of course )
Dordogne and Norfolk. Clay in Dordogne, sandy in Norfolk.
Sometimes I think Monty looks like he's almost ready for the compost heap which is where I send my plants when they're looking tatty. You know, hardy geraniums and pulmonarias and so on that look tired after their early flowering display and need hacking back to regenerate and refresh and if they don't, out they go, roots and all. It's impolite to be a scruffy presenter unless you're actually gardening and getting dirty.
Yes please, more Mr Beardshaw. Thank heavens for Beechgrove. And more women too who know about plants and how to grow and use them and maybe design too.
I have several kinds of geum but can't find the labels any more. Flames of Passion rings a bell for some of the newer ones. I haven't seen one I don't like, even the orange ones.
Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
Chelsea is an old boys club...The sponsors pay for air time, the designers expect gold medals and newcomers like Sue Beesley can't get a space because of the biggest nurseries who are on their 70th medals
Obviously Chelsea needs to be the best of the best but it just strikes me as unfair
I mean look at the trouble Tescos are in now after they put all the smaller shops and farmers out of business
I'll get off my soapbox now
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Would you prefer it was only open to self-funded entrants? More women like that designer of the Islam garden who happens to have been funded by her rich father who's in charge of a £6.4bn property development and so can devote 24/7 to her hobby job? (I haven't read the other bios yet)
Sponsorship allows the show to be ambitious,have high standards yet remain egalitarian A high standard of growing, design, presentation, construction and other horticultural skills isn't up for negotiation.
A local fellow who my late dad knew, having worked in Newmachar 50 years isn't made of money, is down to earth and I 'm not sure would have been able to finance a stand got a gold.
If people can't get a space then it very well might be their application which is lacking.
Old boys club? Horticulture is one of the few manual trades women take up in significant numbers. The big gardens I've visited are a pretty even male/female split.
Perhaps women aren't entering competitive horticulture in the same numbers as men? I wouldn't know I'm not into the competitive scene.
There have been plenty of women with displays in the floral marquee but they tend to have multi-faceted lives and so, like Gertrude Jekyll and Carole Klein they give up exhibiting at Chelsea so they can spend time with family and on other pet plant and garden projects. I think men can be far more single minded far more easily but when a woman's at the top of her game she is indeed excellent.
There have also been plenty of medal winning women garden designers at Chelsea but, again, it's a huge commitment of time and energy and they don't all want to keep doing it year after year. It must also be pretty difficult to find a sponsor and come to an agreement about the basis of any design they do. Just look at that chap who says he's giving up now unless he finds a sponsor who'll let him do what he wants.
There is always a long list of people waiting to get a place at Chelsea. I'm really pleased Sue Beesley/Trillium has a stand this year, even at such short notice, and hope she'll do it again. As far as I 'm concerned they could drop the Barbados and Thai displays and give the space to British or European nurserymen and women selling plants we can grow in our gardens and thus improve their sales and horticultural job prospects and economy too.
As for TV presenters, there seems to be an idea that any women have to be presentable/good looking. What that has to do with their knowledge or presenting skills is beyond me.
Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
.. As for TV presenters, there seems to be an idea that any women have to be presentable/good looking.....
I just had a chance to watch the first episode on the iPlayer last night.. OH MY GOODNESS.. I didn't even recognize Carol Kline, they had her so dolled up. It wasn't until she started waving her hands all around I knew who it was. Once they zoomed in, it was obvious of course, but glory.. she didn't look anything like herself. She's a beautiful women in her own right.. especially when her hair is wet with rain and she has mud on her knees from getting down to show us some lovely tiny flower. I hate the fact someone feel they needed to do her up like some sort of show poodle, and not leave anything about her that made her 'her'.
.. As for TV presenters, there seems to be an idea that any women have to be presentable/good looking.....
I just had a chance to watch the first episode on the iPlayer last night.. OH MY GOODNESS.. I didn't even recognize Carol Kline, they had her so dolled up. It wasn't until she started waving her hands all around I knew who it was. Once they zoomed in, it was obvious of course, but glory.. she didn't look anything like herself. She's a beautiful women in her own right.. especially when her hair is wet with rain and she has mud on her knees from getting down to show us some lovely tiny flower. I hate the fact someone feel they needed to do her up like some sort of show poodle, and not leave anything about her that made her 'her'.
Why do you think 'they' styled Carole and she didn't choose her own styling? Presenters have some autonomy, you know.
People do dress up, get a new hairdos, apply different make up for special occasions. This is arguably the first major event in 'the season', after all, possibly the premiere show event in horticulture. Why wouldn't a presenter go out to town for such an important and event in the calendar of their profession if they so wish?
Frank - I suppose I didn't really consider that fact it was the 'red carpet' of the garden world. Being raised in rural America, I don't give it a thought about the prestige of the event and didn't consider it was a rather highbrow. During the first episode they did make a mention to the fact that those in attendance are consuming champagne with their fish and chips. I just see the gardens, plants, and designs.. not the celebrities, royalty, aristocrats, and other elites of proper English society.
Carol is on TV presenting a gardening show.. in my mind she should look the same as every other time she presents a gardening TV show. Monty does.
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I have Flames of Passion too.
Does it really matter what they wear, within reason. Each one has their own style. It's the plants and gardens that should be on show. (And Chris Beardshaw, of course
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We need suitable female presenters and I don't mean Rachel de Thame. Does Emily Blunt know anything about gardening?
When you don't even know who's in the team
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Sometimes I think Monty looks like he's almost ready for the compost heap which is where I send my plants when they're looking tatty. You know, hardy geraniums and pulmonarias and so on that look tired after their early flowering display and need hacking back to regenerate and refresh and if they don't, out they go, roots and all. It's impolite to be a scruffy presenter unless you're actually gardening and getting dirty.
Yes please, more Mr Beardshaw. Thank heavens for Beechgrove. And more women too who know about plants and how to grow and use them and maybe design too.
I have several kinds of geum but can't find the labels any more. Flames of Passion rings a bell for some of the newer ones. I haven't seen one I don't like, even the orange ones.
Chelsea is an old boys club...The sponsors pay for air time, the designers expect gold medals and newcomers like Sue Beesley can't get a space because of the biggest nurseries who are on their 70th medals
Obviously Chelsea needs to be the best of the best but it just strikes me as unfair
I mean look at the trouble Tescos are in now after they put all the smaller shops and farmers out of business
I'll get off my soapbox now
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Would you prefer it was only open to self-funded entrants? More women like that designer of the Islam garden who happens to have been funded by her rich father who's in charge of a £6.4bn property development and so can devote 24/7 to her hobby job? (I haven't read the other bios yet)
Sponsorship allows the show to be ambitious,have high standards yet remain egalitarian A high standard of growing, design, presentation, construction and other horticultural skills isn't up for negotiation.
A local fellow who my late dad knew, having worked in Newmachar 50 years isn't made of money, is down to earth and I 'm not sure would have been able to finance a stand got a gold.
If people can't get a space then it very well might be their application which is lacking.
Old boys club? Horticulture is one of the few manual trades women take up in significant numbers. The big gardens I've visited are a pretty even male/female split.
Perhaps women aren't entering competitive horticulture in the same numbers as men? I wouldn't know I'm not into the competitive scene.
I agree with that *regardless of their sex*
There have been plenty of women with displays in the floral marquee but they tend to have multi-faceted lives and so, like Gertrude Jekyll and Carole Klein they give up exhibiting at Chelsea so they can spend time with family and on other pet plant and garden projects. I think men can be far more single minded far more easily but when a woman's at the top of her game she is indeed excellent.
There have also been plenty of medal winning women garden designers at Chelsea but, again, it's a huge commitment of time and energy and they don't all want to keep doing it year after year. It must also be pretty difficult to find a sponsor and come to an agreement about the basis of any design they do. Just look at that chap who says he's giving up now unless he finds a sponsor who'll let him do what he wants.
There is always a long list of people waiting to get a place at Chelsea. I'm really pleased Sue Beesley/Trillium has a stand this year, even at such short notice, and hope she'll do it again. As far as I 'm concerned they could drop the Barbados and Thai displays and give the space to British or European nurserymen and women selling plants we can grow in our gardens and thus improve their sales and horticultural job prospects and economy too.
As for TV presenters, there seems to be an idea that any women have to be presentable/good looking. What that has to do with their knowledge or presenting skills is beyond me.
I just had a chance to watch the first episode on the iPlayer last night.. OH MY GOODNESS.. I didn't even recognize Carol Kline, they had her so dolled up. It wasn't until she started waving her hands all around I knew who it was. Once they zoomed in, it was obvious of course, but glory.. she didn't look anything like herself. She's a beautiful women in her own right.. especially when her hair is wet with rain and she has mud on her knees from getting down to show us some lovely tiny flower. I hate the fact someone feel they needed to do her up like some sort of show poodle, and not leave anything about her that made her 'her'.
. As for TV presenters, there seems to be an idea that any women have to be presentable/good looking.....
You must have missed the comments regarding the men's styling. You don't think the men are expected to be photogenic as well?
Why do you think 'they' styled Carole and she didn't choose her own styling? Presenters have some autonomy, you know.
People do dress up, get a new hairdos, apply different make up for special occasions. This is arguably the first major event in 'the season', after all, possibly the premiere show event in horticulture. Why wouldn't a presenter go out to town for such an important and event in the calendar of their profession if they so wish?
Frank - I suppose I didn't really consider that fact it was the 'red carpet' of the garden world. Being raised in rural America, I don't give it a thought about the prestige of the event and didn't consider it was a rather highbrow. During the first episode they did make a mention to the fact that those in attendance are consuming champagne with their fish and chips. I just see the gardens, plants, and designs.. not the celebrities, royalty, aristocrats, and other elites of proper English society.
Carol is on TV presenting a gardening show.. in my mind she should look the same as every other time she presents a gardening TV show. Monty does.