@Papi Jo is that a Louis Moulin arch pictured? If so, I have one of those in the same dimensions. It is attractive and well-finished, but not sufficiently heavy or sturdy enough for a large, vigorous rose.
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
I received Fragrant Plum and Scentsational from R.V.Roger today, good plants and roots, would have been even better if the fourth cane on FP hadn't been wrenched off the graft. Well wrapped and moist enough but in a plastic bag so no crush protection. Delivered promptly and as notified by DX Express
Thanks to all who responded to my quest for advice re R. David Austin 'The Generous Gardener'. Probably too generous, that rose-tree? Reminds me of the growing habit of my R. Madame Alfred Carrière, which I barely manage to control, at the back of the garden!
Anyway, change of plans. Since I do not have a suitable free wall or pergola or huge trellis, etc. to give it free rein, what about I grow it as a small tree, giving some support for its first 2-3 years, pruning carefully (how?) to get it to grow within reason, etc?
For support, how about this:
H. 185 cm; circles diameter from bottom to top: 50cm, 40cm, 60cm.
Has anyone already trained a vigorous rose-tree inside that kind of support? And where I can I find reliable, clear instructions about pruning with a view of forming a "small tree", say eventually max 250cm-300cm in height and 100cm-120cm wide?
Or should I give up growing this rose-tree in my garden? Hope not!
Guillot got on the case for me with Seur and my bare roots magically arrived! I managed to snap off the top of one cane myself, disentangling the bunch 🙄 Mine are soaking in the bucket just now so will post some pix tomorrow.
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@Papi Jo Yes you can grow it as a large shrub, freestanding. I've grown it various ways. Here it is first season inside a 2m, narrow, obelisk. Other roses in the picture. .. as a true climbing rose, later it will produce thick thorny basals, which will ascend upwards of 8 or 10 feet. It will outgrow that tuteur very quickly unless you cut these out, or prune them back. If growing as a large shrub, you can allow to grow as they will arch over and stiffen in time. ..producing long, flowering laterals along the way.
I do not recommend you plant the rose inside the tuteur, but outside. The lowest parts should be about 30cm into the ground for stability. If you plant the rose inside, the roots will circle and clasp those spikes, making the tuteur difficult to remove, especially with all the top growth too, which will eventually render it superfluous I think.
I trained this rose across a swag rope later on, but it became too much for me. As you see in Tack's photos, it produces long laterals that aim upwards, towards the sun, which is typical of climbing roses.
With suitable control and management, you should be able to contain your 'tree' to the heights and widths you envisage, as the canes thicken it should not need any support but this is some way down the road, and not something to concern oneself about at this point.
@Nollie interested in what you have got from them.. From what I gathered, Massad is no longer with the Guillot team.. and how non DA's perform..
I am in a similar situation @WAMS My TW order is on its way.. will have to leave them in temporary pots for now until I get the older roses on the ground..
Out in the garden I have quite a few roses still in bud. Thanks to the conditions they are not opening further, so my partner suggested cutting them and bringing them into the house. Over the day they've started to unfurl nicely. Claire Marshall to the left, Fragrant Cloud to the right. Both with good fragrance.
Don't grow up - grow sideways.
Gardening in the West Midlands on a mix of neutral loamy sand & Victorian building rubble.
My styles order arrived (happy couple & garys rose) - nursery pots for them for now! Dicksons 2 on way. Plus 2 Fryers roses... no idea whats going where!!
I figure nursery pots as usual for now whilst I get the spring bulbs etc in, I can always sort new front bed & moving shrubs in spring!
And two apricot, Notre Dame de Rosaire and Versigny:
I also got two Jackson and Perkins/Keith Zary yellow roses from them (still in the bucket) - Honey Bouquet and what Guillot call ‘100 Idées Jardin’. I didn’t think the latter had any synonyms as none turned up on an HMF search, but I must’ve made a typo as it turns out it’s ‘Golden Zest’. One of it’s parents is Golden Celebration.
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Guillot got on the case for me with Seur and my bare roots magically arrived! I managed to snap off the top of one cane myself, disentangling the bunch 🙄 Mine are soaking in the bucket just now so will post some pix tomorrow.
I couldn't decide where to put BMS so into a nursery pot it has gone and I'll worry about it next June or so.🙈
Yes you can grow it as a large shrub, freestanding. I've grown it various ways. Here it is first season inside a 2m, narrow, obelisk. Other roses in the picture.
.. as a true climbing rose, later it will produce thick thorny basals, which will ascend upwards of 8 or 10 feet. It will outgrow that tuteur very quickly unless you cut these out, or prune them back. If growing as a large shrub, you can allow to grow as they will arch over and stiffen in time.
..producing long, flowering laterals along the way.
I do not recommend you plant the rose inside the tuteur, but outside. The lowest parts should be about 30cm into the ground for stability. If you plant the rose inside, the roots will circle and clasp those spikes, making the tuteur difficult to remove, especially with all the top growth too, which will eventually render it superfluous I think.
I trained this rose across a swag rope later on, but it became too much for me. As you see in Tack's photos, it produces long laterals that aim upwards, towards the sun, which is typical of climbing roses.
With suitable control and management, you should be able to contain your 'tree' to the heights and widths you envisage, as the canes thicken it should not need any support but this is some way down the road, and not something to concern oneself about at this point.
congrats @Tack nice thick canes and roots..
@Nollie interested in what you have got from them.. From what I gathered, Massad is no longer with the Guillot team.. and how non DA's perform..
I am in a similar situation @WAMS My TW order is on its way.. will have to leave them in temporary pots for now until I get the older roses on the ground..
I figure nursery pots as usual for now whilst I get the spring bulbs etc in, I can always sort new front bed & moving shrubs in spring!
Two pinks, Ventillo and Ladurée:
And two apricot, Notre Dame de Rosaire and Versigny:
I also got two Jackson and Perkins/Keith Zary yellow roses from them (still in the bucket) - Honey Bouquet and what Guillot call ‘100 Idées Jardin’. I didn’t think the latter had any synonyms as none turned up on an HMF search, but I must’ve made a typo as it turns out it’s ‘Golden Zest’. One of it’s parents is Golden Celebration.