I’m considering relocating a hawthorn tree as it’s in the wrong place (self seeded I assume at least 17 years ago.) I need to cut it back severely every year and never get any flowers or berries on it which is a shame.
I read that hawthorn is part of the rose family and I’m wondering if it would be unwise to plant a rose where the hawthorn potentially was? I’d be grateful if anyone had any advice on this. Thanks
Has anyone noticed the speed of die-back in rose stems? My young Gentle Hermione was showing new leaves even last week. However I noticed the stems beginning to darken and yesterday I saw the leaves have shrivelled and gone and when I cut into the stem, it seems dry and dead. How can this happen so fast? The leaves looked fresh and young last week! ( I pruned the rose in July-August with my other roses). Has anyone noticed die-back happening like this? Can it even be saved from doom?
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Was it dead heading or proper pruning you did in the summer @clematisdorset? Have you had frosts? Classic pruning time is end of winter, very early spring. Roses should be dormant now. Maybe that shoot and leaves were too young to survive winter. Don't worry, it should grow better shoots in spring.
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Thankyou @Busy-Lizzie, it was proper pruning. I had a few shrub roses to de-pot in July, and after I had planted them into a proper bed, I pruned them because they all looked a bit tatty and I wanted to see definite signs of new growth. During September, the new growth became apparent, with new, fresh, tiny leaves. These new, (fresh from September) leaves have stayed small in this dormant time, and were ok until very recently. It has not been cold but it has been very windy with sporadic rain downpours but my nearby other roses look ok. Will roses survive when all the stems go brown I wonder? In my experience, other roses have died when this has happened, so I am feeling a bit doubtful.
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Please show a photo of your rose with brown stems, as it's difficult to advise without seeing what you've got there.
^^I wouldn't plant a rose where a Hawthorn has been without some soil amendments. In these situations, it's the only time I would also recommend use of mycorrhizal fungi at planting time, I have found it helps considerably in establishing a rose where replant disease might occur otherwise..
I've learnt my lessons replacing Pyracanthas with roses.
Please show a photo of your rose with brown stems, as it's difficult to advise without seeing what you've got there.
^^I wouldn't plant a rose where a Hawthorn has been without some soil amendments. In these situations, it's the only time I would also recommend use of mycorrhizal fungi at planting time, I have found it helps considerably in establishing a rose where replant disease might occur otherwise..
I've learnt my lessons replacing Pyracanthas with roses.
Thank you for responses to my question. I’ll give it some more thought as it would be a big and thorny job. If I could keep the hawthorn really small I’d just leave it there.
Strangely, and conversely somewhat, I have grown roses through mature Hawthorns, planted some feet away from the trunk.. rambling roses are well suited to the purpose
@Marlorena I just wanted to thank you for a recommendation from an ancient thread for a book "In Search of Lost Roses". I found a second-hand copy on ebay and have enjoyed reading it very much.
Any other recommendations to similar books, rose-related or not, would be welcome.
Re my brown rose stems... Thank you @Marlorena - I had a few shrub roses to de-pot in July, and after I had planted them into a proper bed, I pruned them because they all looked a bit tatty and I wanted to see definite signs of new growth. During September, the new growth became apparent, with new, fresh, tiny leaves. These new, (fresh from September) leaves have stayed small in this dormant time, and were ok until very recently. It has not been cold but it has been very windy with sporadic rain downpours but my nearby other roses look ok. Will roses survive when all the stems go brown I wonder? In my experience, other roses have died when this has happened, so I am feeling a bit doubtful.
Gentle Hermione is the one that has gone brown. The leaves still looked ok last week. I cannot remember the exact colour of the stems last week, as they did not give me cause for concern. The photos to follow...
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I read that hawthorn is part of the rose family and I’m wondering if it would be unwise to plant a rose where the hawthorn potentially was? I’d be grateful if anyone had any advice on this. Thanks
^^I wouldn't plant a rose where a Hawthorn has been without some soil amendments. In these situations, it's the only time I would also recommend use of mycorrhizal fungi at planting time, I have found it helps considerably in establishing a rose where replant disease might occur otherwise..
I've learnt my lessons replacing Pyracanthas with roses.
Any other recommendations to similar books, rose-related or not, would be welcome.
Gentle Hermione is the one that has gone brown. The leaves still looked ok last week. I cannot remember the exact colour of the stems last week, as they did not give me cause for concern. The photos to follow...