@Nollie thank you, the pergola is really sturdy and concreted in, so I can look at adding some trellis or something to it. I will have a look at the soil to make sure it doesn’t build up too much, although the timber has been treated.
If I go for a rose for the pergola I would need something with flexible canes to train. I’ve noticed with the climbers I have that there can be a huge difference, for example my bridge of sighs has really stiff canes so I would want to avoid that. Maybe something 10-12ft ish?
I still haven’t decided on a rose for the pot! I think I might wait for my birthday next month when I visit Beales or DA, so I can see the roses in bloom to help.
Hideous weather up these parts, heavy hail storms and freezing, it felt more like late February than late April. To be honest it really hasn't started warming up so far this Spring so everything is way behind. This is Ancient Mariner, barely out of bud stage. Things can only get better.
@Songbird-2 roses don't really like being rocked by the wind, especially if in light soil or compost in a pot. Most of them are pretty hardy. In my French garden when it was -10C for a week the only one I lost was Rosa Banksiae lutea which isn't very hardy.
Dordogne and Norfolk. Clay in Dordogne, sandy in Norfolk.
@Newbie_greenie and @Alfie_ both tree roots and any overhanging shade they cast can be problematic for shrub and bush roses planted near them - might be ok for a vigorous variety or a rambler, that can cope with some shade and the poorer and dryer conditions there. Also you dig out a decent planting hole, improve the soil for the roses and water them well and the tree sends out creeping roots to steal the water and nutrients provided for the rose!
In my case I created a raised rose bed about 3ft from my boundary, chopped back a few roots from a large prunus in the hedgrerow outside and sunk (what I thought was) an adequate root barrier below ground level behind. Within a year the whole bed was invaded with fibrous roots from the prunus. I had to dismantle and dig out the whole bed and it was like chopping through a thick, tough mat. Further along my boundary I didn’t have the same problems with a Leylandii and honeysuckle hedge - the root barrier was enough to stop those roots invading.
It does depend on the tree. A small ornamental cherry or hornbeam might be absolutely fine, I really don’t know. I have roses planted within 3-4ft of a large olive tree and the roses are doing really well. Olive trees are pretty undemanding in terms of water and nutrients though.
I would just watch and wait newbie greenie and see if your roses are doing ok or struggling before digging them up. Sorry, didn’t mean to put you off or be alarmist - sometimes we don’t know what works and what doesn’t until we try it!
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
Sorry, I didn't mean to sound patronising, I was in the middle of digging up dead plants from the winter, and planting 2 roses.. I rather like an occasional proliferated bloom, they tend to happen in Spring, probably due to cold nights.. 'Eustacia Vye' is an Austin prone to it here..
..this is 'Tall Story'.. I like this rose, it's an excellent alternative to the much larger climber 'City Of York', similar blooms and foliage, but on a much more compact plant, with continuous bloom.. it's also virtually thornless.. 'Bienvenue' just planted.. ..this is 'Amelie Nothomb'.. ..extra leafy sepals on 'Othello'.. also prone to mildew I notice.. ..other plants today. Rhodanthemum 'Casablanca'.. probably best thing in my garden, flowers almost 12 months.. Helianthemum 'Supreme'.. ..like most gardeners, lots of Aubrieta, I think this is my favourite, a nice purple.. 'Hamburger Stadtpark'..
Oh no worries Marlorena, I always confuse those two! Ivor’s Rose does seem to be prone to it @WAMS even in summer. I’ve seen both very occasionally on GJ.
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
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If I go for a rose for the pergola I would need something with flexible canes to train. I’ve noticed with the climbers I have that there can be a huge difference, for example my bridge of sighs has really stiff canes so I would want to avoid that. Maybe something 10-12ft ish?
I still haven’t decided on a rose for the pot! I think I might wait for my birthday next month when I visit Beales or DA, so I can see the roses in bloom to help.
Things can only get better.
It does depend on the tree. A small ornamental cherry or hornbeam might be absolutely fine, I really don’t know. I have roses planted within 3-4ft of a large olive tree and the roses are doing really well. Olive trees are pretty undemanding in terms of water and nutrients though.
I would just watch and wait newbie greenie and see if your roses are doing ok or struggling before digging them up. Sorry, didn’t mean to put you off or be alarmist - sometimes we don’t know what works and what doesn’t until we try it!
An earlier bloom showing a new bud emerging in the centre:
And another one forming!
This is fasciation on 'Donatella', where two flowering stems fuse together.. I've also seen this on 'Gertrude Jekyll'..
Proliferation is where an extra leafy bud forms in the middle of the bloom..
See 'Prolifera de Redoute'..
I rather like an occasional proliferated bloom, they tend to happen in Spring, probably due to cold nights.. 'Eustacia Vye' is an Austin prone to it here..
..this is 'Tall Story'.. I like this rose, it's an excellent alternative to the much larger climber 'City Of York', similar blooms and foliage, but on a much more compact plant, with continuous bloom.. it's also virtually thornless..
'Bienvenue' just planted..
..this is 'Amelie Nothomb'..
..extra leafy sepals on 'Othello'.. also prone to mildew I notice..
..other plants today.
Rhodanthemum 'Casablanca'.. probably best thing in my garden, flowers almost 12 months..
Helianthemum 'Supreme'..
..like most gardeners, lots of Aubrieta, I think this is my favourite, a nice purple..
'Hamburger Stadtpark'..