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  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 8,705
    @salo.daria
    Hello..  that's a nice balcony with a great view... I have something similar here and I have a rose in a pot in the corner... 
    To choose a shrub rose to semi climb, look for those with a height x width of around 4-1/2 feet.. these can usually be trained to climb a bit..  I think to stretch 18 feet along railings is too ambitious.. and will require too much maintenance in the longer term..

    If you want an Austin, most people usually do, something like 'Gentle Hermione' might suit.. I used to have it here, bit thorny, lovely scent of myrrh.. and trainable..

    Do you still have your PH Musk rose? would like nice growing up your tree, I remember you saying I think... I've grown all sorts of roses up trees, from Willow on a river bank, I had PH Musk on that.. Hawthorn, even Eucalyptus and Magnolia trees had a rose on them.
    If it doesn't work, then you just dig it out and think of something else..
    East Anglia, England
  • DashaDasha Posts: 137
    edited July 2023
    Marlorena said:
    @salo.daria
    Hello..  that's a nice balcony with a great view... I have something similar here and I have a rose in a pot in the corner... 
    To choose a shrub rose to semi climb, look for those with a height x width of around 4-1/2 feet.. these can usually be trained to climb a bit..  I think to stretch 18 feet along railings is too ambitious.. and will require too much maintenance in the longer term..

    If you want an Austin, most people usually do, something like 'Gentle Hermione' might suit.. I used to have it here, bit thorny, lovely scent of myrrh.. and trainable..

    Do you still have your PH Musk rose? would like nice growing up your tree, I remember you saying I think... I've grown all sorts of roses up trees, from Willow on a river bank, I had PH Musk on that.. Hawthorn, even Eucalyptus and Magnolia trees had a rose on them.
    If it doesn't work, then you just dig it out and think of something else..

    Thank you, @Marlorena, Gentle Hermione is lovely although I would prefer a bit less warm pink but only because the cladding of the house is warm brown so I feel something whiter/cooler would be better... But maybe I am wrong about this?
    Would another Austin shrub be an option? Like Desdemona, Olivia Rose Austin or Emily Brontë or are they too small?

    Would a small climber like Strawberry Hill work in a space like this? David Austin says it's suitable for containers. I am just genuinely curious how this stuff works. Or would a reason not to put a climber here be that a climber is too wide and can't be contained on those two horizontal bars?

    I have donated Paul's Himalayan Musk to a guy with a treehouse surrounded by a bunch of trees. He thought it would be perfect there.

    I would really love to have a climber or a rambler growing through a tree. I did notice a lot of advice is about growing ramblers through dead or dying trees though. All of mine (large silver birches) seem healthy and rather large. Do you think I should give it a try? The Lady Of The Lake is really tempting me but David Austin website doesn't seem to suggest it for trees... But Garland is similar size and suitable for trees. I feel it's going to take me a lifetime to figure out how roses work... :)

    Thank you and apologies for bombarding you guys with questions!
  • cooldoccooldoc Posts: 853
    Welcome back Marlorena. I felt you were absent for a few days. 

    @pitter-patter 's garden should be picked for showcasing the best/ different ways we can grow roses.

    Someone asked about 'Eyes for You' I would
    say on cooler days I have noticed it be more pink on the outer parts but change colour as it ages or on hotter days. In my experience they hate hard pruning. 

    To those with Felicia and Yolande d'Aragon, what do they think about the fragrance/ repeat flowering?

    @salo.daria How tall is your railing? For a climbing rose in a pot, you would need a good deep pot (~60cms). So to train them at that acute angles would be a task. Plus the last two mentioned are not very flexible in my opinion. EB was grown as a climber vertically in DA gardens. Strawberry hill is very much flexible to train, but I have not grown it long enough or as a climber. @Tack has grown them vertically.

    A rose lover from West midlands
  • DashaDasha Posts: 137
    @cooldoc so the main question is how flexible the canes are because I need to bend them to the railing very close the base of the rose, right?  Excuse stupid questions (total novice here) but how high from the base of an average climbing rose would you usually expect to start training horizontally?
    I'll measure the height of the railing in a bit  but I guess it's around 1.5 meters.

    I guess my best bet is just to put a small shrub rose in a pot and not expect to attach it to the railing, right?
  • DashaDasha Posts: 137
    Tack said:
    I have done this @salo.daria. The first thing that surprised me rather stupidly is quite how high up the railings the pot top is. So I added a trellis stuck into the pot to give me some height and wind support in the middle , barely visable but see second pic. This year I used Wild Rover, last year it was Purple Skyliner. Both of these trained well but PS was too mildewy to tolerate and WR has bad Blackspot. Maybe being in a pot in full sun is too stressful. 
    I have Blush Noisette and Rhapsody in Blue on railings but planted in the ground, they are very flexible. Mine is not being trained sideways but it occurs to me that Kew Gardens might work. I don't however expect to keep a rose in a pot like this for more than a couple of years. It is raining or I'd go and take more useful photos, all these are the best I can find right now.

    @Tack, your roses are amazing! Very jealous! It seems the main issue for my idea is the hight of the rose and how pliable the canes are. So what if I use a rose like Grouse or Partridge which are really low growing ground cover types? Any potential problems I am not taking into account?
    I just love your garden! :)
  • Lizzie27Lizzie27 Posts: 12,494
    @Marlorena, your lovely Desdemona pic has just convinced me to keep the one my brother's just given me. I'm thinking of planting it in a large tall pot if I can persuade my son and grandson to hoik out the current potbound old phormium at the weekend!
    North East Somerset - Clay soil over limestone
  • crighton03crighton03 Posts: 26
    Lovely pictures @Marlorena, your Dessie looks better than mine!

    @WAMS I have Tranquillity but the blooms are small so far for me this year. I must try harder to get Evelyn, it seems! 

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