Thanks all, just finally got caught by the bug that hit my boys when we were away on holiday. I’m feeling much better today.
@Fire - You treat it like a climber. Tie the long, well-placed canes in horizontally to make the structure, while pruning back flowering laterals in dormant season (or whenever!)
Remember the only difference between a ‘shrub’ and a ‘climber’ is how vigorous they are. I suppose some may have varying degrees of flexibility. However Kew Gardens ‘shrub rose’ is more flexible and easier to train than The Generous Gardener ‘climbing rose’.
So if you’re growing it as a climber follow climbing advice and vice versa - regardless of what it was labelled as when you bought it 🙂
In fact Kew Gardens made it all the way up to the top of the fence last year but behind the wires on the fence. Inmanaged to bend the whole thing low enough to get it back under the bottom wire and back in front to tie in again. Wouldn’t have managed that with every Rose - especially not Sir Snap-a-lot! (aka The GG)
Glad to see your garden coming back to life @owd potter, Falstaff is magnificent. I suppose that’s a bad case of rust you have there on GdF, especially if are there powdery orange spots underneath the leaves too. Picking off and disposing of the affected leaves and a really deep water should hopefully sort it..
Hiya @Nollie, thanks for that. I did wonder whether it may be rust, having not had this before. I guess it could be a consequence of the drought imposed while I was away. They are all getting plenty of water now, and are respondingÂ
@owd potter - it has reappeared lower down on the older leaves. But I've found most roses either start losing their older leaves by this stage, or the leaves are still there but look very tired!
@Fire - You treat it like a climber. Tie the long, well-placed canes in horizontally to make the structure, while pruning back flowering laterals in dormant season (or whenever!) So if you’re growing it as a climber follow climbing advice and vice versa - regardless of what it was labelled as when you bought it 🙂
Do
you know if all roses can be trained sideways for more blooms, or only
certain types (the naturally sprawling modern ones, or ones labelled
"can be grown as a short climber", for instance)? Would an HT forced
sideways with bamboo canes or whatever produce more flowers, or not?
No, you wouldn't normally do that with [an HT], because they
flower at the tips. Saying that, there
are some modern HT's that look like shrub rose these days, and benefit
from less rigid pruning regimes.. 'Dee-Lish' is one of them, 'Chandos
Beauty' is another, these can be left to grow much larger, even so, they
still require HT pruning back to a bud, they are not conducive to
pegging or training laterals.Â
I haven't posted for some time because I am not good with this part of the year, I just let things grow, resigning on tidying, deadheading and weeding.
'Amazing Day' is producing very small but very colourful autumn blooms 'The Prince' also playing the "lot of small blooms" game 'Scented Garden' Aster planted last evening, I am very happy with it, the black stems and dark foliage are beautiful for months even before it flowers. 'Narrow Water' getting over my head, way too vigorous
@Fire so Hybrid Teas are different. However I wasn’t considering them as I thought you just meant ‘shrub’ roses!Â
I’ve not got any Hybrid Tea roses myself so wouldn’t know. Is that what you’re considering getting?
I suppose because of this ‘tip-bearing’ they’re unsuited really to using as climbers same as ‘tip-bearing’ fruit trees are unsuitable for espalier training.
You'd just have to grow it in a tall tree shape with all the flowers at the top. Which could still look very pretty in the right situation.
Well, there are plenty of HT climbers like Etoile and Ena. I am just try to find out how things work. I am putting in some Buff Beauty and was wondering if can just train and prune as a climber. Marl seemed to suggest there are some limits on which roses you can do this with. But I would have thought that if they throw out long canes, you can train and prune any rose as a climber (perhaps with varying success). The hormones in shrub roses and climbers are not different (?)
 WhereAreMySecateurs asked the same kind of question (quoted above). Is there any essential diffference between the two groups? My Ena reverted to a shrub rose (no long growth at all), my Jamain is grown as a climber (though originally it was hybridised to be a shrub rose). I'm hoping my Buff Beauty will be happy to climb. I'm just wanting to understand the biology.
I am wanting the BB to do a very specific job of covering a fence in a certain spot. If it's going to bush out rather than up then it wil be the wrong rose for the spot and I will have wasted quite a bit of money.
What a stunning array of blooms on your Amazing Day, @edhelka. The rebloom on mine hasn't been great, but it's its first year.
My Buff Beauty is tiny (it was an impulse purchase) but it seems very trainable when shoots are young, @Fire. This is one of the new basals I haven't bothered tying in as I am going to move the plant a bit in autumn so it's more accessible... and you see how flexible this cane is just now
@edhelka Beautiful photos. Did you really plant that aster last evening? It looks great, which one is it? I have a similar one with dark stems called ‘Glow in the dark’. It’s grown huge, so I’m training it as a climber 😃.
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Remember the only difference between a ‘shrub’ and a ‘climber’ is how vigorous they are. I suppose some may have varying degrees of flexibility. However Kew Gardens ‘shrub rose’ is more flexible and easier to train than The Generous Gardener ‘climbing rose’.
So if you’re growing it as a climber follow climbing advice and vice versa - regardless of what it was labelled as when you bought it 🙂
I did wonder whether it may be rust, having not had this before. I guess it could be a consequence of the drought imposed while I was away.
They are all getting plenty of water now, and are respondingÂ
Good to know it may be just a one off issue.
Your GdeF is magnificent.
Hope you'll be up and about again soon.
Saying that, there are some modern HT's that look like shrub rose these days, and benefit from less rigid pruning regimes.. 'Dee-Lish' is one of them, 'Chandos Beauty' is another, these can be left to grow much larger, even so, they still require HT pruning back to a bud, they are not conducive to pegging or training laterals.Â
'Amazing Day' is producing very small but very colourful autumn blooms
'The Prince' also playing the "lot of small blooms" game
'Scented Garden'
Aster planted last evening, I am very happy with it, the black stems and dark foliage are beautiful for months even before it flowers.
'Narrow Water' getting over my head, way too vigorous
I’ve not got any Hybrid Tea roses myself so wouldn’t know. Is that what you’re considering getting?
I suppose because of this ‘tip-bearing’ they’re unsuited really to using as climbers same as ‘tip-bearing’ fruit trees are unsuitable for espalier training.
You'd just have to grow it in a tall tree shape with all the flowers at the top. Which could still look very pretty in the right situation.
I am wanting the BB to do a very specific job of covering a fence in a certain spot. If it's going to bush out rather than up then it wil be the wrong rose for the spot and I will have wasted quite a bit of money.
What a stunning array of blooms on your Amazing Day, @edhelka. The rebloom on mine hasn't been great, but it's its first year.
My Buff Beauty is tiny (it was an impulse purchase) but it seems very trainable when shoots are young, @Fire. This is one of the new basals I haven't bothered tying in as I am going to move the plant a bit in autumn so it's more accessible... and you see how flexible this cane is just now