You can only win or lose a war … there’s no such thing as a draw … the west obviously hasn’t won this one … it’s the most ignoble of retreats, having sold the vulnerable ones down the river. Trump did the deal … Biden saw it through … the whole of the USA will bear the shame for many years to come.Â
The global balance of power has shifted overnight … Russia and China are the only real heavyweights now.Â
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Whatever the truth about the haulage issues or customers in the automotive sector have never had a issue collecting our products. Several vehicles a day including a few milk round trucks that basically drive up and down the country dropping off and collecting from sites all over. There's a slowdown but that's mostly demand dropping. Fewer full sized artics collecting to deliver to our customer's European sites and more 2 man box vans collecting for single sites but that happened a few years back not because of brexit I reckon due to timelines. They're almost always foreign drivers and vehicles. Still no UK drivers except for UK only collections/deliveries. That's been like than for many years.Â
I just think that the real situation isn't one issue but a whole range of them. I bet wages, decades ago shift to overseas drivers/haulage firms, UK fuel costs, brexit, etc combining to cause issues in some sectors more than others. I do know that the employers body is giving out the propaganda that suits its members from the haulage firm owners. They've lost the fuel cost battle but keeping lower wages is one battle they still think they'll win i reckon. BTW a lot of UK haulage firms outsource to foreign haulage firms too. Are they not part of the long term problem too?
Must admit I've not been involved in in exporting and the transport side for a decade now and back then it was more containers. So I really only know a little more than reaches the news. You do learn a lot from the coal face and drivers love to talk while they're loaded. The work isn't as good as it used to be. Pay, conditions and longer time away especially if you do overseas trips. Even UK ones can take you away for long periods. Not great for families. They'd know because the UK drivers at get seem to be older and old timers so know what it used to be like. However equality is creeping in with a few women getting behind the wheel, they're usually younger though. Which is good all round IMHO.Â
You can only win or lose a war … there’s no such thing as a draw …Â
The North Koreans probably wouldn't necessarily agree..then again I suspect neither would the South. Although strictly speaking that wasn't a war.
Anyone know which actions were actually formally wars since WWII? You had the Falklands conflict, Vietnam and Korea I think weren't declared wars. The two gulf wars were known as wars but were they technically wars?
You can only win or lose a war … there’s no such thing as a draw …Â
The North Koreans probably wouldn't necessarily agree..then again I suspect neither would the South. Although strictly speaking that wasn't a war.
Anyone know which actions were actually formally wars since WWII? You had the Falklands conflict, Vietnam and Korea I think weren't declared wars. The two gulf wars were known as wars but were they technically wars?
The Balkans? Columbian drug war? The Cold War? The Cod War?
Balance? Who declared war with who? It was a right mess the break up of the old yugoslavia that I'd have thought it never had the internationally recognised state structures to declare war until after it was or had happened.Â
 I thought technically only sovereign states can declare war and only sovereign states can accept it or whatever the recipient of a declaration of war does. So technically waron drugs has no standing as a war. I could be wrong but I think wars have their own peculiar niceties regarding formalities like declarations of war. All bound up in treaties or developed international law or procedures. For such a terrible thing to happen I think the formalities surrounding war has a kind of civility about it. I could be wrong.Â
PS still no curmudgeonly posts for some time. Not impressed!
I must admit it's a conversation that I'm not equipped to participate in, but it's interesting all the same. Feel free to suggest a different topic and see who bites @Songbird-1😊
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Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
I just think that the real situation isn't one issue but a whole range of them. I bet wages, decades ago shift to overseas drivers/haulage firms, UK fuel costs, brexit, etc combining to cause issues in some sectors more than others. I do know that the employers body is giving out the propaganda that suits its members from the haulage firm owners. They've lost the fuel cost battle but keeping lower wages is one battle they still think they'll win i reckon. BTW a lot of UK haulage firms outsource to foreign haulage firms too. Are they not part of the long term problem too?
Must admit I've not been involved in in exporting and the transport side for a decade now and back then it was more containers. So I really only know a little more than reaches the news. You do learn a lot from the coal face and drivers love to talk while they're loaded. The work isn't as good as it used to be. Pay, conditions and longer time away especially if you do overseas trips. Even UK ones can take you away for long periods. Not great for families. They'd know because the UK drivers at get seem to be older and old timers so know what it used to be like. However equality is creeping in with a few women getting behind the wheel, they're usually younger though. Which is good all round IMHO.Â
NorthernJoe said:
Columbian drug war?
The Cold War?
The Cod War?
...I struggled a bit with your question 😬😀
 I thought technically only sovereign states can declare war and only sovereign states can accept it or whatever the recipient of a declaration of war does. So technically waron drugs has no standing as a war. I could be wrong but I think wars have their own peculiar niceties regarding formalities like declarations of war. All bound up in treaties or developed international law or procedures. For such a terrible thing to happen I think the formalities surrounding war has a kind of civility about it. I could be wrong.Â
PS still no curmudgeonly posts for some time. Not impressed!
Feel free to suggest a different topic and see who bites @Songbird-1😊