@Marlorena You mentioned about old roses bearing spectacular scent.. I wonder how do they compare to the more modern repeat blooming varieties? Say, Gertrude Jekyll?
Obviously with my current limited space I would not have the luxury to grow anything that does not repeat flower but I’m making a mental note of what I might try when I have a bigger garden one day. Are old roses’ fragrance stronger and their profile different from the modern ones?
Your Vanessa Bell is looking SO good! I remember you had it in a pot last year but it looks like you’ve now moved it to a border? I’m so very very tempted.. especially since I will be visiting DA nursery / garden next Friday. I fell in love with it when I visited two years ago but just could not find a decent spot for it. I am trialling the ‘weather resistant’ DA roses this year - Eustacia Vye, Gabriel Oak and Tottering by Gently. So far so good, their foliage appear to be relatively unharmed in the strong winds back in early spring - but they’re still relatively short / compact in size being first year so I will see how they fare later on in the season. I have my eyes on Princess Anne as it’s also tooted to be weather resistant snd supposedly has very large deep pink blooms.
Also.. in your experience which roses have you grown that you feel are most suited for pots? My favourite has been Roald Dhal so far.. but I’m keen to find out more. CP seems to be doing well in your pot?
@celcius_kkw Hi Adrian.. yeah, you don't want once blooming roses for your pots.. we need modern long flowering types for those don't we.. get the most from the situation.. as for the scent, well I still think there's something incomparable about some Old Roses, not all by any means, some don't have much scent to speak of at all, but those that have the fresh apple scent, do it for me.. that's how it's often described, and it's something I just rarely find in modern roses.. GJ is strongly scented, but it's not that apple scent that I love so much.
..Country Parson is doing brilliantly in my pot, kept over from last year.. I ought to plant it out later but no idea where at this point..
.. just an opinion, but where I think people go wrong with pots is that they try to grow too vigorous roses in them.. climbing roses and suchlike.. it takes a lot of time management to deal with them, and not much reward without it - you won't get DA recommending any, where just as much pleasure is obtained using smaller, suitable roses.. 3' x 3' max ..
Vanessa Bell is in the ground now, yes.. DA's need so much watering in pots, I couldn't keep up with it, otherwise they won't produce all that mass of bloom. Large, sumptuous double blooms require high maintenance to produce.. everybody buys them but I try to encourage people to look beyond DA's, especially those new to roses.. that was my object with these rose threads..
Have a great day out.. lucky you!.. I'm off to Mannington in Norfolk very soon, but it's not a DA garden, it's full of those Old Roses I love, so I'm going to soak up that apple scent..
Hi Marlorena...nobody seems to be able to give me an answer to this. Dozens of roses are completely affected by this problem at my local GC, and I was wondering if you could throw any light on it. Does it look like a case of nutrient deficiency or something more serious. I like to buy the odd rose from there, but if this is about I'm not so sure.
I would love to experience this mystical apple scent.. Norfolk is quite far from where I live.. do you know of any gardens around the north west that keep old roses?
Regarding the water requirement of DA roses.. do you find other non DA shrubs being less demanding? In a sense I don’t mind the extra work as I don’t have as many roses as yourself and it keeps me occupied.. and is therapeutic in its own right. I don’t imagine being able to keep up with my time consuming regime once I acquire a larger garden with a lot more roses..
@peteS ..I would guess that's a severe mineral deficiency... I don't think it's rose mosaic virus because that takes on the appearance of streaks, like zig zagging lightening flashes on the leaves...
@celcius_kkw DA roses are the most water demanding roses on the planet.. which is why it can take 3 seasons of growing for the rootstock to be able to support them, the way you see in photos and what we expect as rose growers... which is why I often say they are not always suited to those new to roses - although they of course are marketed that way obviously.. ...after the rootstock has been though a couple of winters, it can usually support those canes so the rose can produce those huge blooms.. they often do better in pots for the first year as we usually tend to them more with their water requirements..
.. I know a couple of rose gardens in Shropshire that you might want to visit sometime.. not sure how far this is from you, but you might want to note The Dower House, which is an open garden full of Old Roses.. it's near Market Drayton and is 1.5 acres.. then there's also the garden at Wollerton Old Hall and the garden at Hodnet Hall is brimming with roses.. all in the same area.. I can't think of any right near Liverpool off hand.. one of the best and newest rose gardens is at Wynyard Hall but that's in County Durham..
I got some rain, but not that much so far.. but enough to flatten parts of the rose garden... there are times I wish I got involved with conifers and heathers rather more..
'Bathsheba' looking quite good, surprisingly.. 'Armada' came out overnight... ..not too bad around here by the rail path.. ..Pebble Beach fairly orderly... ..my Beach path wants sorting out.. I could hide away in there.. I do love Penstemon 'Westminster Belle' [Bell?]..
I use a lot of these Geranium x cantabrigiense varieties, as they're just so useful and colourful with roses for about 6-8 weeks.. they do need controlling, hard cutting back and removing any invading stems.. even field horsetail is intimidated by it, as it ensures dense shade underneath - which is its enemy..
..field horsetail is rampant in this border on the right..
A rose I've become really fond of is 'The Wren'.. available from Peter Beales Roses..
.. very healthy, with good foliage, vigorous growth yet compact.. I love the blooms at all stages.. they also have a good scent, variable.. and it's just the colour I'm wanting in this area..
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Hi Adrian.. yeah, you don't want once blooming roses for your pots.. we need modern long flowering types for those don't we.. get the most from the situation.. as for the scent, well I still think there's something incomparable about some Old Roses, not all by any means, some don't have much scent to speak of at all, but those that have the fresh apple scent, do it for me.. that's how it's often described, and it's something I just rarely find in modern roses.. GJ is strongly scented, but it's not that apple scent that I love so much.
..Country Parson is doing brilliantly in my pot, kept over from last year.. I ought to plant it out later but no idea where at this point..
.. just an opinion, but where I think people go wrong with pots is that they try to grow too vigorous roses in them.. climbing roses and suchlike.. it takes a lot of time management to deal with them, and not much reward without it - you won't get DA recommending any, where just as much pleasure is obtained using smaller, suitable roses.. 3' x 3' max ..
Vanessa Bell is in the ground now, yes.. DA's need so much watering in pots, I couldn't keep up with it, otherwise they won't produce all that mass of bloom. Large, sumptuous double blooms require high maintenance to produce.. everybody buys them but I try to encourage people to look beyond DA's, especially those new to roses.. that was my object with these rose threads..
Have a great day out.. lucky you!.. I'm off to Mannington in Norfolk very soon, but it's not a DA garden, it's full of those Old Roses I love, so I'm going to soak up that apple scent..
..I would guess that's a severe mineral deficiency... I don't think it's rose mosaic virus because that takes on the appearance of streaks, like zig zagging lightening flashes on the leaves...
@celcius_kkw
DA roses are the most water demanding roses on the planet.. which is why it can take 3 seasons of growing for the rootstock to be able to support them, the way you see in photos and what we expect as rose growers... which is why I often say they are not always suited to those new to roses - although they of course are marketed that way obviously..
...after the rootstock has been though a couple of winters, it can usually support those canes so the rose can produce those huge blooms.. they often do better in pots for the first year as we usually tend to them more with their water requirements..
.. I know a couple of rose gardens in Shropshire that you might want to visit sometime.. not sure how far this is from you, but you might want to note The Dower House, which is an open garden full of Old Roses.. it's near Market Drayton and is 1.5 acres.. then there's also the garden at Wollerton Old Hall and the garden at Hodnet Hall is brimming with roses.. all in the same area.. I can't think of any right near Liverpool off hand.. one of the best and newest rose gardens is at Wynyard Hall but that's in County Durham..
'Bathsheba' looking quite good, surprisingly..
'Armada' came out overnight...
..not too bad around here by the rail path..
..Pebble Beach fairly orderly...
..my Beach path wants sorting out.. I could hide away in there.. I do love Penstemon 'Westminster Belle' [Bell?]..
..field horsetail is rampant in this border on the right..
.. very healthy, with good foliage, vigorous growth yet compact.. I love the blooms at all stages.. they also have a good scent, variable.. and it's just the colour I'm wanting in this area..
..the leaf is from Iris pallida 'variegata'..