@Rickyjones24, it would be 125cm or more. I have seen it growing a lot more sideways than usual DA roses in Kew gardens. It's a bit like wide fountain shape.
@Rickyjones24 Wide but relatively airy at the top. If I measure it from the end of the longest branch to the longest branch just against, it would be around 120cm, maybe slightly over, but it doesn't take that space if you understand what I mean. The majority of the rose is maybe 80cm wide but 2-4 branches with blooms are longer. Wide fountain shape, yes. I had a rose 70cm from it and it was too close. On the other side, I have another rose which is smaller in a similar distance and it's fine. Personally, I don't like the shape of PAoK, she refuses to grow into a bushier, rounder, more symmetrical shape for me. And she doesnt take mingling with other roses or perennials well, she gets too much blackspot. One day, I would love to have a trio of them, 45-50cm apart. I think that would give me a nicer shape (but a bigger gap once it defoliates from BS...). I still like the rose. Probably because she was the one (together with Gertrude, maybe), that got me into growing roses.
My runty Malvern Hills is doing sweet FA, no growth buds breaking from the canes. I'm so impatient for it to get going. Shouting at it doesn't seem to be helping. 😠
Moonlight (left) is happily gullumphing up the new fence. Put in during the autumn.
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Various climbers starting to cover the arch - their first proper flowering over the arch will come this year.
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Etoile (left) - its first year of flowering also. I'm going to train it along the shed fascia too. All the reds I have put in are quite dark, so they won't piow and ping like they would if they were more crimson or going towards pink. Height and colour have been my priorities.
There's a Crimson Glory just getting going at the base of the obelisk (right) out of view. Nobody could ever accuse me of overkill.
Missed this one on my rounds this morning! Warm Welcome has burst into bloom all of a sudden at the base and has some healthy new basals. The rest of it above that is a rather unbalanced, defoliated mess. It’s usually a bloom machine from top to bottom, the blooms are much paler than usual and it just seems to be lacking vim.
It’s already had a fair number of older canes pruned right out, but now I’m thinking I should have done those final two as well as I suspect they aren’t going to be very productive. Wrong time of year, but I’m considering being drastic and just pruning them out now, letting the rose focus on the healthy base growth. Might be kill or cure!
The base:
The Whole, with bare middle and no buds forming on the top of those 2 long canes either:
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
Hi, isn’t it funny how your tastes change over the years. I never used to like roses but I’ve been reading this thread for many months now and really enjoy everybody’s passion for them. Fast forward and now here I am today with three in the ground and two cuttings potted up. Thought I’d share them with you. Veilchenblau planted as a bare root Nov 2019. It’s really grown through the viburnum tree so looking forward to many flowers this year Next up are Malvern Hills and Olivia Rose Austin both planted as bare roots Nov 2020 I think this is a cutting of a friend’s Burgundy Ice but neither of us are sure And finally this a cutting I took of a rose planted in memory of my best friend’s dad. The family sold the house but didn’t take the rose with them. I live next door and the new neighbours let me take the cutting. I plan to present it to her once it’s in full bloom again. No idea what it’s called but it’s bright orange ! Hope you enjoyed my post. There always seem to be such stories with roses....
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Mine is still young so can't say from experience.
It's the slowest growing of my roses currently though.
I had a rose 70cm from it and it was too close. On the other side, I have another rose which is smaller in a similar distance and it's fine.
Personally, I don't like the shape of PAoK, she refuses to grow into a bushier, rounder, more symmetrical shape for me. And she doesnt take mingling with other roses or perennials well, she gets too much blackspot.
One day, I would love to have a trio of them, 45-50cm apart. I think that would give me a nicer shape (but a bigger gap once it defoliates from BS...).
I still like the rose. Probably because she was the one (together with Gertrude, maybe), that got me into growing roses.
It’s already had a fair number of older canes pruned right out, but now I’m thinking I should have done those final two as well as I suspect they aren’t going to be very productive. Wrong time of year, but I’m considering being drastic and just pruning them out now, letting the rose focus on the healthy base growth. Might be kill or cure!
The base:
The Whole, with bare middle and no buds forming on the top of those 2 long canes either:
Veilchenblau planted as a bare root Nov 2019. It’s really grown through the viburnum tree so looking forward to many flowers this year