I've just done that. I was pruning my Eglantyne rose this morning and after carefully looking at it (as I thought) promptly cut off the stem I had wanted to keep...durr...... I have pruned it quite hard as well - it's a bit taller than I would like where it is so probably not the ideal place. Pruning quite hard will of course result in it growing even taller.......
I found two lovely ladies on Facebook who grow 'Maid of Kent'. One has a beautiful stone cottage with the rose covering the front.
Both are very happy with it. They said no issues with rain. Does a big show that lasts 8 weeks and then a few flowers from then onwards. One said it still has flowers now.
No scent, very healthy and vigorous but easy to control with pruning.
@Camelliad, that might be me with my own climate head on re Frances Dubreuil, my summer sun being much more intense. @Marlorena how did you find FD, does it do OK in sun for you? I’m planting mine in a pot to begin with in my east facing garden and will see how it goes. My trio of Munsteads is in a colourful, clashy border and I use purple salvias, agastache etc., in between all the hot colours - purple is my go-to link colour everywhere. I have seen it underplanted with yellow, which was quite lively!
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
@Camelliad ...oh try not to be too disheartened... you may still get a few nice blooms this year, .. depends how much cane is left, so all may not be lost... perhaps treat yourself to another rose? that way it'll take your mind off this one a bit... the more roses I have, the more I forget about the ones I might have made a mess of... and yes I do that too...
Yes I will. Thank you Marlorena - good advice and reassuring to know!
@Nollie ...here are some pics of FD at various times from late July onwards... bear in mind this rose was in my greenhouse all that time, so very hot, 90's+ temps... I did not notice any sign of scorching, just the blooms are more red/pink than outdoors and they probably don't last as long in that heat... this rose incidentally will also flower quite well in a shady almost sunless position.. i.e. north facing.. I've tried it.. so don't be afraid to shade it, as long as the site is open..
I'm looking to seeing my Kew Gardens rose in 2021..I only bought as I think I remember Marlorena saying it was her favourite rose...so I thought it must be good! The only previous rose I've bought on the basis of it bring someone else's favourite was the late David Austin Snr..who said Olivia was his favourite!
@JessicaS Your hulthemias look amazing, given that these are leaves from the previous year. Your 'Angel Eyes' reminds me of my 'Eye of the Storm', a very vigorous rose and healthy as long as it was growing in summer. It got diseased in September, all at once, and lost its leaves quickly (possibly my fault partially - a small pot and not enough feeding, I usually feed very little during autumn). But I am still happy with it, as with every rose that is still healthy in August. I am curious how it does this year. It is one of the newest hulthemias, only bred/released in 2017, and I think it shows well the huge progress made with hulthemia roses. The only downside is that it is very thorny - it has hooked thorns on stems, tiny hooked thorns on the underside of the leaves and tiny prickles on the flowers stems, annoying. It is very different from my 'Eyes for you'. EfY is very compact and dense, with relatively small leaves. EotS is sprawling and vigorous. EfY is very healthy for me, only getting BS very late in the season. But the combination of BS and late autumn gales defoliates it, no matter how mild the winter is. EfY has some fragrance, EotS has none. Eye of the Storm in August 2020 Eyes for You (July 2020)
More regarding hulthemias, because they are fascinating objects for many professional and hobby breeders: - Modern hulthemias are very far from the original species - This is how the original looks like... horrible things - The species is very thorny, spindly and sprawling, non-repeating and very disease-susceptible - Disease-resistance, lower thorn count and repeat of modern hulthemias come from modern roses. Basically, the breeding objective is to keep the blotch but get rid of the rest of the species characteristics (maybe with the exception of heat-resistance which is desirable). - The blotch seems to be a dominant trait but it looks like it's coded into more than one gene and/or other rose genes can inhibit it or make it less visible. Getting a nicely pronounced blotch is tricky and takes a lot of seedlings. - Getting the blotch together with other desirable characteristics is even harder. Some say that the blotch is connected to the thorniness and non-remontancy. It probably isn't but it certainly is a number game to get a good plant. - The early hulthemia hybrids were non-repeating or slow to repeat and disease-susceptible. The fact that we see hulthemias as very well repeating and disease-resistant these days shows how good the breeding is.
@edhelka Thank you! They are some of my favourites, they seem quite happy there. I gave them a good empathy rose feed last summer which they went mad for, I'll definitely be doing that again if thats contributed. Ive brought for your eyes only this year as well which I hope is similar.
Roses generally seem to do quite well in my garden, weird considering under the turf it was rubbish new build rubble and its taken blood sweat and tears to get flower beds dug and usable. The local field soil is apparently really good quality for growing so there must be something they like about the soil (minus the old pepsi bottles, broken glass, bits of pipe, rocks and goodness knows what else I found digging..)
Gosh EotS is very different to EfY in your garden, its very interesting to see the difference. Yours is so gorgeously glossy too, its stunning with those dark pink blooms. Mine are about 3 years old by now I think - Ive eyed Alissar Princess of Phoenicia and eye of the tiger before too, just because the others have done so well.
I really like your pairing with that blue geum, my lavender is hit and miss, so I was going to do the same this year with Geums round my pinks, Ive literally just potted some bare roots of a blue one this weekend gone!
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I have pruned it quite hard as well - it's a bit taller than I would like where it is so probably not the ideal place. Pruning quite hard will of course result in it growing even taller.......
I found two lovely ladies on Facebook who grow 'Maid of Kent'. One has a beautiful stone cottage with the rose covering the front.
Both are very happy with it. They said no issues with rain. Does a big show that lasts 8 weeks and then a few flowers from then onwards. One said it still has flowers now.
No scent, very healthy and vigorous but easy to control with pruning.
Definitley on shortlist.
My trio of Munsteads is in a colourful, clashy border and I use purple salvias, agastache etc., in between all the hot colours - purple is my go-to link colour everywhere. I have seen it underplanted with yellow, which was quite lively!
...here are some pics of FD at various times from late July onwards... bear in mind this rose was in my greenhouse all that time, so very hot, 90's+ temps... I did not notice any sign of scorching, just the blooms are more red/pink than outdoors and they probably don't last as long in that heat... this rose incidentally will also flower quite well in a shady almost sunless position.. i.e. north facing.. I've tried it.. so don't be afraid to shade it, as long as the site is open..
It is very different from my 'Eyes for you'. EfY is very compact and dense, with relatively small leaves. EotS is sprawling and vigorous. EfY is very healthy for me, only getting BS very late in the season. But the combination of BS and late autumn gales defoliates it, no matter how mild the winter is. EfY has some fragrance, EotS has none.
Eye of the Storm in August 2020
Eyes for You (July 2020)
- Modern hulthemias are very far from the original species
- This is how the original looks like... horrible things
- The species is very thorny, spindly and sprawling, non-repeating and very disease-susceptible
- Disease-resistance, lower thorn count and repeat of modern hulthemias come from modern roses. Basically, the breeding objective is to keep the blotch but get rid of the rest of the species characteristics (maybe with the exception of heat-resistance which is desirable).
- The blotch seems to be a dominant trait but it looks like it's coded into more than one gene and/or other rose genes can inhibit it or make it less visible. Getting a nicely pronounced blotch is tricky and takes a lot of seedlings.
- Getting the blotch together with other desirable characteristics is even harder. Some say that the blotch is connected to the thorniness and non-remontancy. It probably isn't but it certainly is a number game to get a good plant.
- The early hulthemia hybrids were non-repeating or slow to repeat and disease-susceptible. The fact that we see hulthemias as very well repeating and disease-resistant these days shows how good the breeding is.
Roses generally seem to do quite well in my garden, weird considering under the turf it was rubbish new build rubble and its taken blood sweat and tears to get flower beds dug and usable. The local field soil is apparently really good quality for growing so there must be something they like about the soil (minus the old pepsi bottles, broken glass, bits of pipe, rocks and goodness knows what else I found digging..)
Gosh EotS is very different to EfY in your garden, its very interesting to see the difference. Yours is so gorgeously glossy too, its stunning with those dark pink blooms. Mine are about 3 years old by now I think - Ive eyed Alissar Princess of Phoenicia and eye of the tiger before too, just because the others have done so well.
I really like your pairing with that blue geum, my lavender is hit and miss, so I was going to do the same this year with Geums round my pinks, Ive literally just potted some bare roots of a blue one this weekend gone!