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The New ROSE Season 2021...

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  • Mr. Vine EyeMr. Vine Eye Posts: 2,394
    Buried is good. I posted that photo a few months ago showing how Eustacia had already grown roots from the base of her canes thanks to having been buried.

    Ill post some update photos at the weekend of growth. But my new Lady Emma is doing well and Rhapsody in Blue is covered in strong new growth. Bathsheba has new canes growing from the base which is great to see, especially as I lost her longest cane to wind in Autumn.

    I’m exhausted. Long weeks (I usually work part time but I’m up to Full at the moment) and it’s been such a dramatic change with all the children suddenly being back in class it’s taking some adjusting to! They’re tired too bless them.

    But at least now it’s staying brighter for longer I can still see the garden when I come home.

    Can’t wait for Easter!
    East Yorkshire
  • OmoriOmori Posts: 1,674
    Roses seem happier with their grafts buried, plus it looks better. Probably a mixture of better stability + the ability to form feeder roots. 
  • NollieNollie Posts: 7,529
     @edhelka, think it was 50cm, I seem to recall that was the original advice from DA, then they changed it to give spacings according to the width of the shrub.

    @Fire, yes the advice changed at some point, but a ways back now, the advantage of burying the graft is stability, prevents wind rock, and because it encourages more rooting and basal growth. Plus old knobby grafts are pug ugly! (apologies to pugs). So the consensus is, it’s fine as it is. 

    Come to think of it, that raised bed with Lady Em in, I raised the level by a good 10cm recently. I replanted some perennials in the bigger sink holes, but left the roses, whose grafts were already well buried.
    Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
  • NollieNollie Posts: 7,529
    That sounds knackering @Mr. Vine Eye, bet your looking forward to the weekend.
    Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    Wishing your family and yourself fabulous sleep, Mr Vine.
  • PerkiPerki Posts: 2,527
    I bury the graft union , David austin recommends to bury it so that's good enough for me and for the reasons Nollie mentioned .

    I were having a look at rose feeds today and come across miracle gro granule type , I've not seen them before or probably not noticed them . Has anyone used them ? says feed for 6 month NPK 15-11-15 with trace magnesium , I wouldn't have thought it be as strong as Top Rose for example due to the time it takes to release the feed over 6 month . Looks better value for money than others though . I use the normal Miracle gro granules which seem to do a good job, but I only use them in pots don't like the idea of scattering them around the garden. 
  • Thanks @Nollie it's nice to see them coming on after being bare for months.  I love your trio of LEH too....will be impressive when in bloom.

    I was told years ago when I bought my first rose to make sure I buried the graft so that's what I've always done.

    Must be a shock to the system after all this time @Mr. Vine Eye.  I know my grandchildren are glad to be back and seeing their friends again.  Our team will be gradually returning to the hospital over a few months yet so at least it'll be an easier adjustment.

    @Perki I used the miracle grow pellets in my pots but used Vitax organic for my planted roses.


  • JessicaSJessicaS Posts: 870
    edited March 2021
    Slow replies from me, bit wiped out last week! Lovely to see the new growth on everyones roses.
    @Cambridgerose12 im joining you and the others with for your eyes only this year - ive had angel eyes and eyes for you for several years and they are fantastic.  Prolific, disease resistant and mine flowered well into winter! Theres a fascinating chat about how these were bred further back in this thread that some of the group kindly shared when i posted about mine, including the bizzare natives they are bred from! Well worth a read.

    @Nollie i think you asked if my gorgeous / fabulous were definatley dead - the former has a tiny hint of green but dosent look likely the later i nipped a bit more off and its dry wood so really not looking likely. Ill keep them about just incase :( 
    Cant fault styles outstanding customer service - as an update, replacements i chose arrived the next day!! I now have the exclusives bonkers, the most unusual rose i have ever seen and colonel mustard, both look leafy and good and were on my wishlist so they are nice alternatives. Ill be trying again with the former two, I really want them!

    Lots of new growth popping up now on all the roses. I took lots of pictures for you all but most files wont load, too big so i'll fiddle with them later and try again. This is black baccarra sprouting away. 

  • NollieNollie Posts: 7,529
    That is impressive service @JessicaS! Shame about the first two, but one does receive duds occasionally. Mine was Chateau de Cheverny, but the German nursery refused to refund me despite the copious photographic evidence I provided 😡 Must have missed the earlier discussion on hulthemias, but found this article fascinating: https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/ezine.php?publicationID=970&js=0 A further note on graft burial, Marlorena mentioned a while back a circumstance where above ground may be better - if you have very boggy ground. I thought of another, some old roses sucker madly on their own roots, I read somewhere (I vaguely recall Charles de Mills was one) so of you want to control the size, keep the graft above ground.
    Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
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