@Buzzy2 ...Buzzy, I'm not seeing anything there that says it's not Felicia.. so we need to wait until it blooms before we can be sure... I'm glad you are pleased with the other one... if your new rose is virtually thornless on the canes, then that's a good sign..
@Fire, I can totally relate to what you are saying. My first couple of years of gardening in previous house was steep learning curve. Having a science background I wanted to experiment and try out so many. I shovel pruned a handful of things like that mock orange which had such a short season but lost lots of plants to slugs/snails, wrong choice or location, weeds competition etc. Very expensive learning too.
Along with gardening I am also learning to have more patience and make better choices.
Marlorena thank you for replying, it looks a lot different from the first one. I thought I would plant three on line, I have bought a bare root one from David Austin Much happier with that one, although no growth yet!
@Buzzy2 Are the 1st two photos of your older plant and the 3rd photo the new one? I find it hard to tell which is which. Sometimes, two plants of the same variety grown in different condition can look slightly different (like the colour of the older leaves, but the fresh new foliage looks identical). Also, being it an old rose, there could be tiny differences between the mother plants (if a clone of a clone is used, rather than keeping the line as short as possible). Wait for the blooms to be sure. Worst case scenario, you have a different, closely related hybrid musk, but I think they are both Felicia.
I have got quite a lot of frost nipped tips today, black spot starting and legions of aphids on the march. Woo hoo. Just praying that last year's saw fly doesn't return to complete the set.
I'm kind of concerned that 'gardening' can, in fact, become equated with 'shopping'. I agree that every plant has to work hard in a small garden, but patience is always going to be the key, and working with what we have. I have a tendency to be too Paypal-happy, especially if I'm having a hard week and I see some oh-so-lovely-plants. I don't really want to get into the habit of tossing out plants because of niggles.
I get what you are saying. For me, it's for two reasons: 1) I am a designer and only then a gardener. I like to create, I don't like to maintain. Quite often, I am thinking about removing everything and starting again, just to do a different colour scheme or different style but I don't have the heart to do it and I realize many plants need much more than 2-3 years to show their best. Maybe I should do a different kind of art where it is easier to erase everything and start again or just turn a sheet of paper. But I also truly love being outside and I love flowers and watching things grow. So I am conflicted in all this. One day, I will have to buy a new house with a new garden to solve this 2) I want to experience growing as many plants as I can. It's about the experience itself and also about learning and satisfying my curiosity. Every new plant is huge what if - what if I love it and it looks awesome and does incredibly well here. So I am sorry if I am too much of an enabler, encouraging others to buy plants without having space for them
I have all of those and sawflies of the hairy and curled varieties like last year, plus the leaf curling one has arrived to join the party. The foliage of new tea/noisettes MAC and the Duchesse de Auerstadt are looking very nipped and curled. There is mildew on every new rose from Beales, including the allegedly super healthy ones like Golden Beauty, Ivor’s Rose and Alexander. The latter is the worst and is still a sickly, puny specimen.
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
@edhelka I suspect I am exactly the same. Oh dear. My poor plants don't get much of a chance. I'm much more interested in taking everything out and replacing just to learn and see what happens. I love the dynamism of design and transforming a space. It's thrilling. But, on the upside, gardening is (I think) trying to teaching me the slower virtues of time and patience and annual, more 'glacial' cycles. Which is good for me and my health. There is necessary wonder in watching a seed break the soil and grow. The dahlia in my kitchen is growing half an inch a day. The adult in me rushes past as it's doing what I expect it to do. The child is pointing and standing agog shouting 'WTF?'.
@Nollie Yeah, I'm right on the North Sea with only my neighbours' shrubs between me and it. On the plus side we don't get much snow or prolonged frosts but the winds can be very icy, strong and salty! Its not really ideal for roses and I should only grow seaside-y things (and I do have these) but I'm a bit contrary and am too tempted by pretty pictures of things that aren't really very suitable!
@Fire I know what you mean. I've been guilty of replacing too much and therefore spending too much! I think in my case its because I'm not a very good designer and I seem to be quite poor at combining my plants together to make a harmonious overall picture - something always grows taller or wider than anticipated or dies unexpectedly or shades out its neighbour or they just don't work as a pair. So out at least one of them goes and I start again! Its why I never get around to planting permanent bulbs because I'm always moving the perennials around. I still enjoy it all though!
I did a lot of reshuffling of the garden over the dormant months, it was really lacking in oomph. I’m hoping this year I like things better. I’m sure I’ve spent more than I care to see in one lump sum but I get so much enjoyment out of the garden that it’s worth it. My main focus is providing a nice place for me & my husband, dogs, and the wildlife to enjoy. I’m not a very tidy gardener at all. I try to think about design and colour combinations, height etc, but I’m not too worried about it unless it’s a colour combo I personally hate. What I’d love to have is a mature garden, but everything is still so new, and there’s loads to do still. I’m going to try growing a few more things from seeds this year, and take more cuttings to be able to do bigger plantings without spending a small fortune.
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...Buzzy, I'm not seeing anything there that says it's not Felicia.. so we need to wait until it blooms before we can be sure... I'm glad you are pleased with the other one... if your new rose is virtually thornless on the canes, then that's a good sign..
Along with gardening I am also learning to have more patience and make better choices.
I thought I would plant three on line, I have bought a bare root one from David Austin
Much happier with that one, although no growth yet!
Also, being it an old rose, there could be tiny differences between the mother plants (if a clone of a clone is used, rather than keeping the line as short as possible).
Wait for the blooms to be sure. Worst case scenario, you have a different, closely related hybrid musk, but I think they are both Felicia.
1) I am a designer and only then a gardener. I like to create, I don't like to maintain. Quite often, I am thinking about removing everything and starting again, just to do a different colour scheme or different style but I don't have the heart to do it and I realize many plants need much more than 2-3 years to show their best. Maybe I should do a different kind of art where it is easier to erase everything and start again or just turn a sheet of paper. But I also truly love being outside and I love flowers and watching things grow. So I am conflicted in all this. One day, I will have to buy a new house with a new garden to solve this
2) I want to experience growing as many plants as I can. It's about the experience itself and also about learning and satisfying my curiosity. Every new plant is huge what if - what if I love it and it looks awesome and does incredibly well here.
So I am sorry if I am too much of an enabler, encouraging others to buy plants without having space for them
@Fire I know what you mean. I've been guilty of replacing too much and therefore spending too much! I think in my case its because I'm not a very good designer and I seem to be quite poor at combining my plants together to make a harmonious overall picture - something always grows taller or wider than anticipated or dies unexpectedly or shades out its neighbour or they just don't work as a pair. So out at least one of them goes and I start again! Its why I never get around to planting permanent bulbs because I'm always moving the perennials around. I still enjoy it all though!