@edhelka Thank you for sharing, I didnt know that was the proper name for them or much about the history, fascinating, Learn something new every day! The originals are so different, what an odd combo of flower and spikey foliage and colouring - to me they look like two different plants stuck together!
Heat resistance is interesting - they do seem to fare well in our recent sweltering UK summers (it hit 40 last year in my garden) and unlike some of the others, didnt seem to mind a jot.
@JessicaS They are super tough desert plants. From Wikipedia:
Rosa persica is an anomalous species of rose that at one time was placed in a separate genus Hulthemia. It is native to deserts and steppes from Iran and Afghanistan in the south, through Central Asia, to western Siberia in the north.[3] Its distinctive characteristics include a simple leaf without stipules (most rose leaves are pinnate with 3 to 7 leaflets, and have stipules), and a distinctive flower with a darker coloured central zone. In its natural habitat it is a deep-rooted weed that suckers – growing in Iranian fields for example, where it is collected for fuel once the grain crop has been harvested[4] – but it is difficult to grow in gardens and rarely cultivated.
From Iran deserts to Siberia steppes. Wide range of temperatures as long as it's dry Basically the opposite of our climate But the hybrids still do well here.
@WorcesterPark ...nice to see you here... still running?... hope your KG does well for you, it needs 2 or 3 years like so many do...
@LToby ...which State are you in please?.. do you know your Zone?.. thanks.. oops... just noticed Omori has answered you there... I thought you were in the States.. sorry..
Wonderful photos of FD @Marlorena, I didn’t realise/recall you had it in the greenhouse. Good to know about the shade tolerance too, I wondered if the spot I had planned to try it was going to offer too little sun, but sounds as if it might be ideal...
Among my many new roses this year, I am trying my first hulthemia, Eyes for You. Can’t believe yours is still producing buds @JessicaS, seems to have skipped the dormant season altogether. Fascinating group and great potted history @edhelka. I recall you urging me to try this group ages ago and I have finally gotten around to it!
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
@WorcesterPark ...nice to see you here... still running?... hope your KG does well for you, it needs 2 or 3 years like so many do...
@LToby ...which State are you in please?.. do you know your Zone?.. thanks.. oops... just noticed Omori has answered you there... I thought you were in the States.. sorry..
Thanks @Marlorena - it's nice of you to ask (and good memory!)..still keeping the running up during these times!
I'll keep patient on KG and share a picture at some point over the summer! Looking forward to seeing the Hydrangea type flowers!
...yeah, try and keep fit... I've almost forgotten what normal life was like..
...freezing week ahead for most of us I think... but, like magic, I have suddenly found a new planting hole by an obelisk... some seeded Foxglove was occupying this valuable space...
...seeing as Mr Vine Eye is going to show us his before and afters, I've decided to get in first.. ..well this is an after pruning.. 'Vanessa Bell' which I needed to cut back a bit.. it's a rose that has masses of criss crossing branches lower down, which makes things awkward as rubbing stems can be difficult to remove, being so close together.. I keep most of them if sufficient gap as it's the character of the rose.. I might still touch this up a bit later.. I can see one or two bits I've missed..
@Marlorena Hi Marlorena...do you think 'Ballerina' is suitable for growing up a 5ft obelisk, as I'm sure you've said in the past that it needs support...or will something smaller do!
@peteS ... it's suitable for a 5 ft obelisk for about 2 years, after which you will either need to prune it hard, which sort of destroys its character, or attach a taller support, as it will be wanting something like 8 feet by then..
..some examples.. 'Ballerina' in its 2nd year, nicely upright, about 4 foot.. ..a year later and it's spread its wings.. you would have to train this width upwards or around the support... I might struggle with that. ...it has one failing, although quite late on, every leaf got BS, totally, which breached my tolerance levels for that time of year..
..best of luck with your rose, it's a beauty at its best...
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Heat resistance is interesting - they do seem to fare well in our recent sweltering UK summers (it hit 40 last year in my garden) and unlike some of the others, didnt seem to mind a jot.
Rosa persica is an anomalous species of rose that at one time was placed in a separate genus Hulthemia. It is native to deserts and steppes from Iran and Afghanistan in the south, through Central Asia, to western Siberia in the north.[3] Its distinctive characteristics include a simple leaf without stipules (most rose leaves are pinnate with 3 to 7 leaflets, and have stipules), and a distinctive flower with a darker coloured central zone. In its natural habitat it is a deep-rooted weed that suckers – growing in Iranian fields for example, where it is collected for fuel once the grain crop has been harvested[4] – but it is difficult to grow in gardens and rarely cultivated.
From Iran deserts to Siberia steppes. Wide range of temperatures as long as it's dry
...nice to see you here... still running?... hope your KG does well for you, it needs 2 or 3 years like so many do...
@LToby
...which State are you in please?.. do you know your Zone?.. thanks..
oops... just noticed Omori has answered you there... I thought you were in the States.. sorry..
Among my many new roses this year, I am trying my first hulthemia, Eyes for You. Can’t believe yours is still producing buds @JessicaS, seems to have skipped the dormant season altogether. Fascinating group and great potted history @edhelka. I recall you urging me to try this group ages ago and I have finally gotten around to it!
I'll keep patient on KG and share a picture at some point over the summer! Looking forward to seeing the Hydrangea type flowers!
...freezing week ahead for most of us I think... but, like magic, I have suddenly found a new planting hole by an obelisk... some seeded Foxglove was occupying this valuable space...
...seeing as Mr Vine Eye is going to show us his before and afters, I've decided to get in first..
..well this is an after pruning.. 'Vanessa Bell' which I needed to cut back a bit.. it's a rose that has masses of criss crossing branches lower down, which makes things awkward as rubbing stems can be difficult to remove, being so close together.. I keep most of them if sufficient gap as it's the character of the rose..
I might still touch this up a bit later.. I can see one or two bits I've missed..
Hi Marlorena...do you think 'Ballerina' is suitable for growing up a 5ft obelisk, as I'm sure you've said in the past that it needs support...or will something smaller do!
... it's suitable for a 5 ft obelisk for about 2 years, after which you will either need to prune it hard, which sort of destroys its character, or attach a taller support, as it will be wanting something like 8 feet by then..
..some examples..
'Ballerina' in its 2nd year, nicely upright, about 4 foot..
..a year later and it's spread its wings.. you would have to train this width upwards or around the support... I might struggle with that.
...it has one failing, although quite late on, every leaf got BS, totally, which breached my tolerance levels for that time of year..
..best of luck with your rose, it's a beauty at its best...