@Sammymummy Agree with Nollie. I have a young FP and it’s not the greatest looking thing! Blooms are lovely and different though, so here’s hoping for a beautiful shrub down the line 🙂
Some of my other roses have been planted among perennials and seem to have suffered because of that. I’m trying to find a solution for next year. I really like close planting, but I think that’s not suitable for my roses. Would they do better among the perennials once they’re well established?
I think there are two ways how to approach this - but this experience comes after only one year of experimenting with tight underplanting and two years of growing roses, so maybe I am not the best to advise.
1) Giving a rose year or two to establish and grow taller and then plant perennials which are less tall - like 90-120cm roses with 50-80cm perennials. Everything taller is too tall unless it is very airy (verbena, gaura) or spike-like (foxgloves).
2) Growing low ground cover plants only - this works best with young roses or low growing roses. Plants in the 15-45cm range with dotted taller plants in safe distance from roses. Plants which have leaves only near to the ground with blooms on long stalks higher up also work well.
Basically, to layer the planting so the upper third of roses is fully exposed to light and air.
For traditional perennial borders with very tall plants, it may be better to use obelisks or tall roses (around 150cm) but I don't have space for this.
Thank you so much, @edhelka. I was thinking along those lines as well. I’m planning to reshuffle some plants and I’ll take your advice under consideration.
Lovely roses everyone. @newbie77 I love seeing your cut roses....brings a little summer back.
@edhelka I love you garden. Everything seems to be in the right place which I still have to master. I'm also planning a circular bed in the middle of our garden but that won't happen until my last chicken goes as her coup is there at the moment.
@Nollie love you Stormy Weather. I have a Storm Cloud but there is no information on it online.
I did try to add 5 more bare roots to my TcL order over a week ago but have had no confirmation so will have to wait and see.
The only decent bloom I have at the moment is Leonardo da Vinci. It took a while for the bud to open but is having no problems with the rain.
Thought I'd get a full shot of Royal Jubilee. I did grab a few blooms from it for indoors and overall I'm really happy with this one. Very clean foliage and have had lots of blooms.
That’s a stunning bloom though, @Omori, I’d forgotten you had FP. I’m coming round to bi-coloured roses and have tentatively dipped my toe in the water by ordering a Guy Savoy. Possibly a bit of a cop out though, as it’s only subtly striped!
Mixing roses with perennials can be vexing @pitter-patter even when I think I have chosen correctly, height-wise. Often they grow too tall or too rampantly. I am going to try and follow @edhelka’s method 1 in my new rose bed next year, but I’m sure I will be tempted to slip a few in. Growing on roses in pots for a year, so they can strengthen up before introducing them to the hurly-burly of the border, is another method.
Darcy Bussell is constantly being encroached upon by the shrubby salvia on the left, so really needs to be moved to a better spot, there was meant to be some purple salvia nemorosa between the two reds but that soon got swallowed up by the red beast:
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
Here’s Diamond Eyes having a late season renaissance, having lose most of it’s leaves to rapid onset BS it’s grown new ones and is blooming well again:
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
Thank you @Nollie and @Omori (lovely photo - that’s what enticed me to Ferdinand Pichard in the first place). I don’t have much patience when it comes to... anything really, and as FP is not the first rose in that spot, I am a little bit worried about the rose replant syndrome. If I leave it for another two or three years, and get rid of it, my worry is that no rose will survive in that spot.
Hi @Sammymummy, there are two ways to prevent rose replant disease. I combine both to be on the safe side. When you dig up one rose, make sure to remove all the roots and all the soil in the planting hole and swap it for soil from elsewhere in the garden where roses have not been or won’t be grown. Then sprinkle mycorrhizal fungi in the planting hole and on the roots of the new rose, backfill with the ‘clean’ soil. Lots of us on here do that all the time. Nothing is 100% guaranteed, but if you do that you should be fine planting another rose there, either now, or if of you decide you don’t want to persevere with FP, or in a couple of years’ time.
There are other, perhaps easier to grow floribunda and hybrid tea stripy roses that will give you more instant results, possibly not as refined as FP will become, but something like Henri Matisse from the Painters series might suit you better.
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@edhelka I love you garden. Everything seems to be in the right place which I still have to master. I'm also planning a circular bed in the middle of our garden but that won't happen until my last chicken goes as her coup is there at the moment.
@Nollie love you Stormy Weather. I have a Storm Cloud but there is no information on it online.
I did try to add 5 more bare roots to my TcL order over a week ago but have had no confirmation so will have to wait and see.
The only decent bloom I have at the moment is Leonardo da Vinci. It took a while for the bud to open but is having no problems with the rain.
Thought I'd get a full shot of Royal Jubilee. I did grab a few blooms from it for indoors and overall I'm really happy with this one. Very clean foliage and have had lots of blooms.
Mixing roses with perennials can be vexing @pitter-patter even when I think I have chosen correctly, height-wise. Often they grow too tall or too rampantly. I am going to try and follow @edhelka’s method 1 in my new rose bed next year, but I’m sure I will be tempted to slip a few in. Growing on roses in pots for a year, so they can strengthen up before introducing them to the hurly-burly of the border, is another method.
Darcy Bussell is constantly being encroached upon by the shrubby salvia on the left, so really needs to be moved to a better spot, there was meant to be some purple salvia nemorosa between the two reds but that soon got swallowed up by the red beast:
There are other, perhaps easier to grow floribunda and hybrid tea stripy roses that will give you more instant results, possibly not as refined as FP will become, but something like Henri Matisse from the Painters series might suit you better.