Talking about Peter Beales, they have some nice new roses for 2020. Some of you here maybe know I bought some roses from Lens roses in Belgium last year. Peter Beales now sells several of their roses, to mention some of the best:
Guirlande d'Amour - I know several people growing it and everyone is very happy. Fragrant. Trainable on support or large shrub. Disease resistant. Heavenly Pink - very pretty, vigorous, resilient rose. Empereur Charles IV - I am growing it this year, so we will see I have many Czech friends very happy with it. Charles IV was the most beloved Czech King, from what I've heard it's worth his name.
They also have Plaisanterie (not new this year), a very pretty cross of Trier and Mutabilis.
@Omori and @edhelka, thanks so much, that’s really very helpful. Probably every rose I buy is a gamble humidity-wise, but good to know MIP can take 43C Omori, it certainly got to that here last year. You are right, of course, edhelka, TCL’s prices do allow for experimentation, oh and earth-kind, I recall looking at that last year then forgot about it, so thanks for the reminder.
The only rose, so far, that sails through absolutely everything my weather can throw at it is Julia Child. I was really frustrated not to be able to get Ivor’s Rose this year. IR will take up most of the remaining space, but I think I can squeeze a couple more in. As well as MIP I do fancy trying Rose du Roi or Rose de Recht. No hulthemias yet, but I have them in my sights.
Anyway, first I should see how the new purple and pink ones I have just planted get on this summer. Interestingly, of those, Soul, an impulse buy, is only now forming a few tiny buds. It’s growing away strongly, though. Here is the first bloom of the other slowcoach, still only a foot high - La Rose de Molinard. Wow, I can really smell this one, as good as Gertrude Jekyll for me - strong grapefruit-flavoured sherbet bubblegum!
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
I picked a vaseful of GJ with a couple of Winchester Cathedral roses the other day in case they got spoilt in the forecasted high winds. Every time OH walks past, I get a lovely waft of perfume from about 6-7 ft away - it's gorgeous and no, it's not him (although he's gorgeous too)!
GJ is the only wafty one for me @Lizzie27, bit I am hoping Rose de Molinard will have the same waftyness!
Here is mine today, actually survived my strong winds pretty well:
Another of the Prince - the fragrance is developing, smells more fruity to me than the alleged ‘old rose’. Micheal Marriot Of DA says GJ is the classic example of old rose fragrance, but definitely not that. But not smelling of pee either!
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
A question for all the rose connaisseurs. Is there a class or list of roses that do well on poor or normal soils, and that need little or even no feeding, let's say just a bit of compost added every year? If such a thing exists and you have one or more of them, do you have a favourite?
I'm no rose expert at all but wanted to note that I was reading about the China rose Mutabilis that people were chatting about eariler today. Two people grow it in their front gardens near me and I was always wondering how that rose worked. Reviews I read says it grows very well in poor soil and is very floriferous through the year.
The Prince blooms are beautiful, but few. It’s a fairly ugly, spindly plant so far. It’s two remaining canes can’t support the heavy blooms and the foliage is particularly susceptible to wind damage. One cane died back and I cut out two really skinny ones doing nothing. I am hoping that, like all Austins, it will get better in subsequent years.
@ Fire I am tempted to disillusion you with photos of my cracked concrete drive, tatty, browning leylandii hedge, patchy, rocky grass, disaster of a compost zone and my inherited orange tan metal shed. But instead I will just say thanks, duly flattered!
For red rose fans, here is The Princes Trust. A healthy and vigorous grower so far. My iPad never captures the true colour of reds, this one is a very bright fire station red - very close to the Salvia Greggii (I think it’s Royal Bumble, or similar) as you can see from the circled bits in photo 2:
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
@micearguers ...yes there are some classes of roses that do better under poor conditions... needing little attention...they tend to be closer to the wilder types... and have single or semi double flowers.. you can try those with a high petal count but they need more time to establish due to higher water needs.. ...these roses have all done well for me in conditions more suited to Lavender .. Mme Antoine Mari as shown earlier Complicata Mutabilis ...those 3 need little attention.. there are many more from down the years.. ..these need feeding and mulching.. Absolutely Fabulous - a surprise, but it took off in the 2nd year.. Octavia Hill Lady of Shalott Scarborough Fair James L Austin in the 3rd year
...I would expect roses like Wild Edric [ex Rugosa]..other rugosas, spinosissimas especially hybrids like 'Stanwell Perpetual' which is the benchmark.. ...it's really a case of trial and error, needing patience for the rootstock to get to work, which takes a bit longer in poor conditions..
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Heavenly Pink - very pretty, vigorous, resilient rose.
Empereur Charles IV - I am growing it this year, so we will see
The only rose, so far, that sails through absolutely everything my weather can throw at it is Julia Child. I was really frustrated not to be able to get Ivor’s Rose this year. IR will take up most of the remaining space, but I think I can squeeze a couple more in. As well as MIP I do fancy trying Rose du Roi or Rose de Recht. No hulthemias yet, but I have them in my sights.
Anyway, first I should see how the new purple and pink ones I have just planted get on this summer. Interestingly, of those, Soul, an impulse buy, is only now forming a few tiny buds. It’s growing away strongly, though. Here is the first bloom of the other slowcoach, still only a foot high - La Rose de Molinard. Wow, I can really smell this one, as good as Gertrude Jekyll for me - strong grapefruit-flavoured sherbet bubblegum!
Another of the Prince - the fragrance is developing, smells more fruity to me than the alleged ‘old rose’. Micheal Marriot Of DA says GJ is the classic example of old rose fragrance, but definitely not that. But not smelling of pee either!
@ Fire I am tempted to disillusion you with photos of my cracked concrete drive, tatty, browning leylandii hedge, patchy, rocky grass, disaster of a compost zone and my inherited orange tan metal shed. But instead I will just say thanks, duly flattered!
...yes there are some classes of roses that do better under poor conditions... needing little attention...they tend to be closer to the wilder types... and have single or semi double flowers.. you can try those with a high petal count but they need more time to establish due to higher water needs..
...these roses have all done well for me in conditions more suited to Lavender ..
Mme Antoine Mari as shown earlier
Complicata
Mutabilis
...those 3 need little attention.. there are many more from down the years..
..these need feeding and mulching..
Absolutely Fabulous - a surprise, but it took off in the 2nd year..
Octavia Hill
Lady of Shalott
Scarborough Fair
James L Austin in the 3rd year
...I would expect roses like Wild Edric [ex Rugosa]..other rugosas, spinosissimas especially hybrids like 'Stanwell Perpetual' which is the benchmark..
...it's really a case of trial and error, needing patience for the rootstock to get to work, which takes a bit longer in poor conditions..