@Marlorena The thing that's confusing me is how we are told ramblers flower on the previous year's growth, but my two, Lady of the Lake and Open Arms, both described as short, repeat flowering ramblers, flower on new growth as well as old growth.
@peteS ….age old advice that's not in keeping with the modern age, where we now have repeat flowering ramblers... I probably assumed you had one of the older types, but I recall you having both those two in your garden so you can do what you like with those, if you want to prune off do so, you don't need to keep any unwanted growth..
..there are a very few old ramblers that also bloom on new wood, to a limited degree, but I now know we're not talking about those here..
...so, in general... modern rambler = should repeat on new wood... old rambler = mostly flowers on old wood only, with a couple of exceptions..
I had a light frost last night, I'm hoping that's my last, which usually occurs at this time.. ...old Tea roses take no notice and Mme. Antoine Mari still blooming away.. blooms nearly 10 months of the year, 12 months in warm climates... only needs deadheading and no other treatment.... these types are forerunners of modern hybrid tea roses..
Went out and photographed this as a lament to no roses open yet To find this hidden in the foliage Smells wonderful, just like Turkish delight. Its Celebration.
@edhelka, so teas, hybrid bourbon and autumn damask are things I should be looking at? Just saw @Marlorena’s photo and info on Mme. Antoine Marie!
I think old-fashioned, or heritage, or old roses or whatever, are such a diverse group, or groups, as you say, I find it all a bit baffling to navigate and whittle down to ones that would do well for me. I really wanted Mme. Isaac Pereire, until I read that it prefers a cooler site. Comte de Chambord was a contender, until I read it balls in the rain (another issue for me is torrential rain).
This site suggests 10 old roses for beginners - https://historicroses.org/top-10-starter-roses/ - but I looked at the list and immediately knew several were not suitable for my climate from previous research. Little White Pet or Cécile Brunner may be contenders to replace Susan W-E, though. Both polyanthas, another group I have never really explored.
Meanwhile, I went into our newly opened garden centre to see if they had any orange alstroemerias, but came out with THIS instead! at least it was on my original shortlist of roses for the new bed:
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
Question about tea bags for roses. I have newly planted roses so fairly young ones. I have around 30 teabags every week. I was thinking may be i distribute it between munstead wood and edd tide as they both seems fairly small and could do with extra help. Is 15 tea bags each per week too much for small plants?
@Nollie I'm not sure if this would apply for you but I used to grow MIP in a very hot climate, but it wasn't humid at all. It did very well there. I grew it in partial shade. I'm not sure how hot it is where you are but where I grew it, it routinely reached temperatures around 43C in the summer. I'm not sure if that's an option for you or if the humidity would do it in, but just thought I'd pass that along.
Other roses I grew in the full sun included Graham Thomas, Mme. Antoine Mari, Marie Pavie, Zephirine Drouhin, the floribunda Well Being, Mutabilis, which is a spectacular rose...not for the scent so much but it's quite a show stopper I think. Climbing Iceberg, Golden Showers (such an unfortunate name now but anyways), trying to remember what else...it was a long time ago
@Nollie I am happy that you got PAoK. She's so lovely when established, big blooms on thick canes, but expect some black spot.
I agree that old roses are so tricky to navigate for rose newbies (or experienced who only grow modern roses).
I am almost sure some of teas, chinas and noisettes would be good for you but I am absolutely unable to say which ones. Researching roses good for Florida or humid parts of the US south helps but their strains of BS are different and even there you would find differences, roses healthy in one hot and humid state being a BS nightmare in another hot and humid state. Hybrid bourbons - I was thinking SDLM and its sports and found roses like Grandmother's hat and Maggie - I think they are better with dry heat rather than humid heat but again, I am not sure. The later mentioned are not available in Europe anyway.
Damasks as a group should be heat resistant, they were grown in the Middle East... which is again dry heat. Autumn damask is more of a collector's rose, not the prettiest one, I would say. And truly repeating varieties (damask perpetuals/portlands) are usually less disease resistant. But with TC Lottum having them for €4.50, you only need a pot to try... you could get maybe Rose de Rescht and see.
If you plan to order Ivor's Rose from Peter Beales (in autumn maybe)(and BTW I've heard recently that it does very well in the humid heat, no spray), you could add some tea to the cart or something from their long list of roses for warm areas.
More ideas (both old and modern) could be found on Earth-Kind roses list. This is a list of roses that were tested in different parts of the US and can be reliably grown without fungicide or fertilisers.
I remember we also talked about hulthemia persica hybrids last year, have you got any?
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….age old advice that's not in keeping with the modern age, where we now have repeat flowering ramblers... I probably assumed you had one of the older types, but I recall you having both those two in your garden so you can do what you like with those, if you want to prune off do so, you don't need to keep any unwanted growth..
..there are a very few old ramblers that also bloom on new wood, to a limited degree, but I now know we're not talking about those here..
...so, in general... modern rambler = should repeat on new wood... old rambler = mostly flowers on old wood only, with a couple of exceptions..
...old Tea roses take no notice and Mme. Antoine Mari still blooming away.. blooms nearly 10 months of the year, 12 months in warm climates... only needs deadheading and no other treatment.... these types are forerunners of modern hybrid tea roses..
To find this hidden in the foliage
Smells wonderful, just like Turkish delight. Its Celebration.
This site suggests 10 old roses for beginners - https://historicroses.org/top-10-starter-roses/ - but I looked at the list and immediately knew several were not suitable for my climate from previous research. Little White Pet or Cécile Brunner may be contenders to replace Susan W-E, though. Both polyanthas, another group I have never really explored.
Other roses I grew in the full sun included Graham Thomas, Mme. Antoine Mari, Marie Pavie, Zephirine Drouhin, the floribunda Well Being, Mutabilis, which is a spectacular rose...not for the scent so much but it's quite a show stopper I think. Climbing Iceberg, Golden Showers (such an unfortunate name now but anyways), trying to remember what else...it was a long time ago
Hybrid bourbons - I was thinking SDLM and its sports and found roses like Grandmother's hat and Maggie - I think they are better with dry heat rather than humid heat but again, I am not sure. The later mentioned are not available in Europe anyway.