@Katsa ...yes, it is... the only reason they can sell these bare roots late into spring, right to the end of April, is because of cold storage... it's best to get them as early as possible, or before the end of January..
''Many growers of roses, outsource the growing of their roses to Eastern Europe, or keep their roses in cold store late into the spring and early summer - both practises, we believe, lead to inferior roses and disappointing results.''
...above quote from Peter Beales Roses... I didn't know about the Eastern Europe bit, I'm not aware of any who do that...
Really interesting and useful info @Marlorena about Tantau (and @edhelka re Tantau and Kordes) thanks. I have one Tantau so far, Soul (ADR winner) and it is indeed very late to bloom, so good to know that’s a characteristic - No bad thing as it means there is something to see when earlier ones have finished their first flush - plus healthy and vigorous for a bare root only planted end of Feb. The first, somewhat rain-battered bloom is just opening. We have had cooler weather and near constant rain for days, so it remains to be seen how it copes when the temps here hit 30-40c:
@Katsa, glad Marlorena confirmed you haven’t got RRD! No I wouldn’t give it any tomato feed, that’s to push flowering and what you need is to simply give it time to establish roots and leaf up first. Would love to see some photos of Pure Poetry, thanks...
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Pure Poetry has a lovely sweet scent, I nearly picked it up once, locally, but changed my mind... the bloom on it was huge!.. Soul looks nice so far.. wouldn't you prefer some more semi doubles @Nollie .. I'm leaning more towards those, these days.. they need less watering too..
But there is a discount code in March/April and new roses in March...
yes, that draws us in... I have found the best way to treat those late cold store roses, is to pot them up in quality compost and place in a greenhouse, the extra warmth brings them on and they catch up quicker.. planting out in late May as containerised roses... by which time they should be ready to bloom... I don't always do this though I admit...
That might also explain another mystery @Marlorena. 3/4 of my Roald Dahls looked like this when I bought them:
And one looked like this:
I emailed DA and they said that they won't be able to tell if there was a mislabelling issue, but I wonder if it's because they were sourced from different growers.
Also, would you say that the two cane rose is of lower quality? I would consider that having more, smaller canes is better? Or doesn't it really matter?
@Katsa ..I like both of those.. although I would have preferred to see an extra cane on the bottom on, but I like thick canes, so I would accept that... the top one has more canes to form a rounded shrub, which is what R Dahl should look like... this rose is low thorn, so I don't see anything in the bottom one that would make me question the i.d. at this point, as there are no thorns that I can see.. ..I doubt it came from a different grower, I'm not aware DA outsource any of theirs, I would be very surprised by that.. ..members might be interested to see photos of a rose growing field, full of DA roses.. these exist close to where I live... please don't anyone ask me to go out in the middle of the night and dig a load of them up... ..to follow..
@Marlorena I wonder though has it happened? Have people gone in and stolen plants? Just beautiful!! I had imagined they wouldn't let them flower, build up roots. I watched that video you shared a link to, that Japanese? woman's balcony, one word WOW!!
@Marlorena, I like a mix, but probably like semi-doubles the best and have a few in the new border, like Stormy Weather, Burgundy Ice, Diamond Eyes and the large single Astronomia. Bonica, which I’m not sure is classed as a semi, does open up to show its stamens, plus there are a few more on my list such as the Hulthemia Eyes for You. I am basically looking for doubles that would do better for me than the Austins, old or modern. A serious amount of editing of my list for autumn will be required, though!
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...yes, it is... the only reason they can sell these bare roots late into spring, right to the end of April, is because of cold storage... it's best to get them as early as possible, or before the end of January..
''Many growers of roses, outsource the growing of their roses to Eastern Europe, or keep their roses in cold store late into the spring and early summer - both practises, we believe, lead to inferior roses and disappointing results.''
...above quote from Peter Beales Roses... I didn't know about the Eastern Europe bit, I'm not aware of any who do that...@Katsa, glad Marlorena confirmed you haven’t got RRD! No I wouldn’t give it any tomato feed, that’s to push flowering and what you need is to simply give it time to establish roots and leaf up first. Would love to see some photos of Pure Poetry, thanks...
Soul looks nice so far.. wouldn't you prefer some more semi doubles @Nollie
.. I'm leaning more towards those, these days.. they need less watering too..
yes, that draws us in... I have found the best way to treat those late cold store roses, is to pot them up in quality compost and place in a greenhouse, the extra warmth brings them on and they catch up quicker.. planting out in late May as containerised roses... by which time they should be ready to bloom...
I don't always do this though I admit...
And one looked like this:
I emailed DA and they said that they won't be able to tell if there was a mislabelling issue, but I wonder if it's because they were sourced from different growers.
Also, would you say that the two cane rose is of lower quality? I would consider that having more, smaller canes is better? Or doesn't it really matter?
..I like both of those.. although I would have preferred to see an extra cane on the bottom on, but I like thick canes, so I would accept that... the top one has more canes to form a rounded shrub, which is what R Dahl should look like... this rose is low thorn, so I don't see anything in the bottom one that would make me question the i.d. at this point, as there are no thorns that I can see..
..I doubt it came from a different grower, I'm not aware DA outsource any of theirs, I would be very surprised by that..
..members might be interested to see photos of a rose growing field, full of DA roses.. these exist close to where I live... please don't anyone ask me to go out in the middle of the night and dig a load of them up...
..to follow..
I watched that video you shared a link to, that Japanese? woman's balcony, one word WOW!!