You say your father already had a heart valve problem
I said that my father has a heart issue. A heart valve problem is something different.
The only reason people are getting less severe illness, is the high degree of immunisation.
Immunisation can have an impact but this also doesn't work for everybody. There have been enough studies that showed that the immunisation in higher ages have not that impact.
This is only one of the recent articles about this question.
I read in November in the BMJ that there was a new study about fourth Covd jab and increase in heart issues. Sorry, I can't keep all the links just to proof that scientists are not wrong in what they do.
The very article you quote states this:
"The British Heart Foundation told The Telegraph: “The scientific consensus is that the benefits of Covid vaccination, including a reduced risk of severe illness or death, far outweigh the very small risk of rare side effects like myocarditis or pericarditis for the vast majority of people, especially as people get older.
“This is why it’s particularly important if you’re over 50 that you have a booster when offered it to give you even greater protection.”
"Sorry, I can't keep all the links just to proof that scientists are not wrong in what they do."
Then its probably best not to post such statements without links to confirmed scientific evidence to backup your statements.
'The power of accurate observation .... is commonly called cynicism by those that have not got it.
I can vouch for the fact that Covid is not over. I woke up with it on Christmas Eve, did a quick mental review of the things still on my to do list and then fell asleep for the next 3 days!
I had all my jabs, including flu and had some natural immunity too as I first caught it in January last year. This time was less severe and my recovery has been quicker, but even so, halfway through January I am still coughing and get breathless very easily. It is only in the last week that I have been able to eat properly as it shut down my appetite completely.
Our family Christmas didn't happen. My daughter took good care of me, even though she was suffering herself, having probably got it from a friend, but she and s-i-law had to celebrate alone. I am struggling to garden in 15 minute bouts between downpours
All science can offer is the best advice at a point in time. Obviously, science, by it's very nature, changes and is challenged, so advice may then vary. We saw this in the early stages of Covid didn't we? Masks were initially poo-poo'd here and the emphasis was on hygiene. That changed. Fine. That is good science. Evidence forces change.
There may be things discovered about the vaccines - but that is future and we live now and to me what appears to be the overwhelming scientific advice is to have the vaccines if and when offered.
My nephew's wife is a teacher. Despite all the ailments going around schools, and her husband and one of their three children getting it, plus many colleagues and relatives, she's never had it. That's how most viral illnesses are- some people just don't get them, and some don't get them to great effect, while others are seriously ill or die. I've never had flu in my life, despite working at close contact with lots of people and children, while my sister gets it regularly, despite getting a flu jag every year. @Buttercupdays's post outlines the fact that it [Covid] can often be random in that same way, but she could have been seriously ill in a hospital bed without that vaccine, instead of being able to successfully 'manage' it.
It's up to all of us to be careful, and take appropriate measures where we can, especially considering the state of our hospitals just now.
It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....
I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
Questioning what we are told is clearly sensible - but evaluating the sources of the evidence we want to believe is surely the most important thing. Discouraging the elderly from having Covid vaccinations on the grounds that a tiny majority may have an adverse reaction is dangerous. Far more elderly unvaccinated people will die or be permanently disabled from Covid than the number who will be damaged by the vaccine.
You only have to look at the surge in serious cases of measles in young unvaccinated children resulting in pneumonia (affecting one in 20 children with measles, and the most common cause of death from measles in young children), bronchitis, deafness etc, to see what happens when people believe scare stories about vaccination.
Since 2019 I've lived in east Clare, in the west of Ireland.
@Simone_in_Wiltshire, what you are promoting is highly dangerous and makes me very angry. I am out of this discussion.
@punkdoc our society is a democratic one and we have the right to question because it's the way we learn. You shouldn't drop out of a discussion because someone is voicing their opinion. Instead, as you've done in the past, you should add your opinion and wealth of knowledge so that we may learn.
@punkdoc has posted that he has his own very serious health concerns at the moment ... if he feels it wise to protect himsef by avoiding getting understandably angry, then that's fine with me.
He has given many people the benefit of his considerable medical knowledge and experience, especially since Covid appeared in the UK ... he has also given up huge amounts of his time and precious energy (very precious given his own fragile health) to work on SAGE for the benefit of us all.
Questioning is only part of the way we learn ... understanding how to evaluate what we are told, rather than latching on to stuff that confirms what we want to believe, seems to be lacking in many folk nowadays.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
@punkdoc has posted that he has his own very serious health concerns at the moment ... if he feels it wise to protect himsef by avoiding getting understandably angry, then that's fine with me.
I couldn't agree more and I'm well aware of the advice he has given in the past and the experience that he has in the medical field and that his work is ongoing with Sage. However, rightly or wrongly we all have a right to express our opinions. We may not agree with them and they may be wrong but that's what debate is all about. Still, if he feels has nothing more to add then so be it. It's his choice.
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The very article you quote states this:
"The British Heart Foundation told The Telegraph: “The scientific consensus is that the benefits of Covid vaccination, including a reduced risk of severe illness or death, far outweigh the very small risk of rare side effects like myocarditis or pericarditis for the vast majority of people, especially as people get older.
“This is why it’s particularly important if you’re over 50 that you have a booster when offered it to give you even greater protection.”
"Sorry, I can't keep all the links just to proof that scientists are not wrong in what they do."
Then its probably best not to post such statements without links to confirmed scientific evidence to backup your statements.
'The power of accurate observation .... is commonly called cynicism by those that have not got it.
George Bernard Shaw'
I ♥ my garden.
@Buttercupdays's post outlines the fact that it [Covid] can often be random in that same way, but she could have been seriously ill in a hospital bed without that vaccine, instead of being able to successfully 'manage' it.
It's up to all of us to be careful, and take appropriate measures where we can, especially considering the state of our hospitals just now.
I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
You only have to look at the surge in serious cases of measles in young unvaccinated children resulting in pneumonia (affecting one in 20 children with measles, and the most common cause of death from measles in young children), bronchitis, deafness etc, to see what happens when people believe scare stories about vaccination.
He has given many people the benefit of his considerable medical knowledge and experience, especially since Covid appeared in the UK ... he has also given up huge amounts of his time and precious energy (very precious given his own fragile health) to work on SAGE for the benefit of us all.
Questioning is only part of the way we learn ... understanding how to evaluate what we are told, rather than latching on to stuff that confirms what we want to believe, seems to be lacking in many folk nowadays.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
However, rightly or wrongly we all have a right to express our opinions. We may not agree with them and they may be wrong but that's what debate is all about. Still, if he feels has nothing more to add then so be it. It's his choice.