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  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    It was pretty clear that this was going to happen again over Christmas. How not? There's been a lot of wishful thinking happening. I would imagine that it will continue to happen and more variants emerge, and many other viruses come along, spreading fast.

    @pr1mr0se - yes no doubt much more of the population should have been much more careful - so that we avoided ending up here again. The regulations should have been tighter. And yet, there was Johnson waving the flag, not two weeks ago, shouting that we should party like it's 1999 and break out the bubbly.

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    I don't think level 4 or 5 directly equate to locking down. I can't see that written anywhere.
  • BenCottoBenCotto Posts: 4,718
    @pr1mr0se, why “crisis”? If this epidemic is not a crisis then what is it?
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  • pr1mr0sepr1mr0se Posts: 1,193
    @BenCotto- we are told it is a crisis.  The data are not there to back it up.  The politicians are claiming the word - and we are obliged to follow - well, what, exactly?  It was "follow the science" even though there is no such thing.  There are scientific opinions, not all of which have been peer reviewed, but the "opinion" du jour is promoted as if it is writ on a tablet of stone.
    I do not know the answer.  I do not claim additional insight.  But I do ask for balanced debate and that all opinions are given equal measure.
    And no, I am not an anti-anything.  I have had two vaccinations and  a booster.  I have had a flu vaccine as well.  I worry that it has become all too easy to succumb to group-think rather than questioning each and every "fact".
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    @pr1mr0se number of positive tests are doubling daily in the UK. Do you dispute it, despite the sources, dispute the accuracy?


  • pr1mr0sepr1mr0se Posts: 1,193
    @fire I don't dispute it - but I await confirmation.  The Guardian is hardly a reliable source of all scientific information.  And test results are not the same as hospitalisations, are not the same as serious illness, are not the same as intensive care cases, are not the same as mortality.
    I worry about the information laid before us.  I take personal care.  
    I repeat - I await confirmation and I await full analysis of all costs to society, both monetary and psychological before passing judgement.  I do not rush in haste to use the word "crisis".
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    We can watch the stats here, although the testing data is likely to be very under-representative of the real prevalence as such a small percentage of people with symptoms are testing.


  • debs64debs64 Posts: 5,184
    They will not lock down if it costs them money instead they will insist on measures which are free to them and decimate the retail and hospitality industries. 
    I find it amazing the difference in attitudes on this forum when compared to the feelings of pretty well everyone else I know. 
    How can we possibly know how many people have symptoms and are not testing? That is pure speculation. 
    The problem is scientific opinion varies massively, for every negative report there is a positive one, who do we trust? Nobody I know trusts the government they have proved over and over again that they are lying cheats who should be in prison for corruption and fraud. 
    If the new variant is resistant to the vaccines what is the reason for vaccine passports? 
    I for one will not be making any changes to my Christmas plans. 
  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    I always feel that I'm missing something. But weren't we all told over and over again about the Covid timeline?  Isn't it cases-hospitalisations-deaths - where cases to hospitalisations was up to a couple of weeks and deaths were then weeks after hospitalisations. Given that Omicron is not dominant yet - and (given that maybe Omicron detection still isn't great) if the hospitalisation rate for Omicron is potentially lower than Delta, then you would only just be expecting to see a trickle of hospitalisations now (as the detected numbers are low) - and you wouldn't expect to see associated deaths for weeks yet. Even in SA, if their cases started in mid Nov, then the effect won't be obvious yet - potential deaths would only just be starting to hit the numbers. 
    I've heard a few people on the TV and radio come out with '...if Omicron is an issue where are the hospitalisations and deaths...?' - but that seems to me to  be jumping the gun a bit. Even if Omicron turns out to be the best variant so far (ie far fewer symptoms/hospitalisations/deaths), you can't afford to wait and see before reacting can you?
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