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  • floraliesfloralies Posts: 2,718
    I read this evening that nurses in France who work in ICU are to receive a monthly bonus of 100 euros starting in January, now there's something for Boris to think about.
  • BenCottoBenCotto Posts: 4,718
    @AuntyRach, it’s slightly tangential to your discussion but I get mildly irritated by chronic used as a slack synonym for bad rather than long lasting. As for cancer battles etc, my wife, who has had plenty of opportunities to mull on such matters, is entirely onside with you and @Fire
    Rutland, England
  • The “fighting a battle” analogy for those who have cancer does rather imply that if you fight hard enough you will win … so those who don’t ‘beat it’ obviously haven’t been trying hard enough …

    Oh yeah?  Try telling that to the nine year old girl with an inoperable brain tumour who I worked with and whose single mother I tried to support during the hell she was going through … obviously they should’ve tried harder in that battle … 

    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    edited December 2021
    I can’t stand mention of the “journey” you go on with cancer. What’s with the journey? We’re all on a journey.
    I guess it's a reference to the twists and turns, the drama and the unknown path ahead etc. There are lots of walking metaphors - slow and steady, changing landscapes, obstacles on the road, not knowing what is around the next turn or at the end of the path, a marathon not a sprint, carrying baggage, have companions to walk with you etc. Self help books love a walking and landscape metaphor. :D

    It is useful to know when we are using metaphors. Often they are so much part of common language that we don't notice. We tend to assume they will fit for other people, when they might just irritate. Clocks, gardening, driving, oceans, storms. I guess a good metaphor only works if the audience have the first clue what you're on about.

    My own cancer treatment did feel like a journey-slog along a difficult path. It didn't feel like a 'battle'; I didn't want to go into fight/flight but to come out of it.

    Maybe it's safe to say that newspaper will always reach for the most dramatic/violent metaphor they can find. "If it bleeds, it leads."


  • It's obviously different for different people, but there is no doubting the power of positive thought. If that means people feel they are in a battle,  and it helps them, then fair enough.  With my own 2 bouts of cancer I didn't feel it was a battle,  but positivity was important. When diagnosed some people talk about feeling crushed,  my attitude was more ok what do we have to do to get rid of it, I  never allowed myself to think it was going to get me. 
    I personally knew two opposite scenarios,  one where the person gave up, "I hope they don't tell me it's cancer because that's a death sentence "   The other was determined to see her daughter get through her GCSC's.  The first died within months, the other, continued with some very gruelling treatments, and achieved her aim. There's no way of knowing if that would have been the outcome in any case but the if the second person had not insisted on the doctors trying absolutely everything, she would certainly have died  much sooner. 
    AB Still learning

  • didywdidyw Posts: 3,573
    My ex mother-in-law was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis.  She was a very strong capable woman and wasn't prepared to see her life dwindle away on pain killers and ending up in a wheelchair.  She went to an acupuncturist who put her on a macrobiotic diet.  She followed that diet to the letter and a year later she was back to her usual self and able to eat what she liked.  I admired her for that.
    Gardening in East Suffolk on dry sandy soil.
  • LynLyn Posts: 23,190
    I had a friend who suffered dreadfully with Crohn's disease,  his wife got a special diet sheet which they stuck too and after a while he reduced his medication until he was off it completely.   
    Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor. 

  • The more we find out about this world of ours, the more we find how incredibly complex it all is. So if a connection suggests itself, it is probably more likely that one exists than that it doesn't. The world wasn't designed on graph paper with nice tidy boxes!
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