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  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    Thanks @punkdoc ... I'm amazed that there are people much cleverer than you  ;) but given that there are, I'm very reassured that they're looking into it.  :D

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  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039
    Sorry @steveTu, but there is not a reason for viral mutation, it occurs because they reproduce very rapidly and the mechanism is very prone to errors. Mutations may or may not be useful to the virus.
    Same is true in any mutation, it is a random process and it is luck, or magic whether it is beneficial.
    How can you lie there and think of England
    When you don't even know who's in the team

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  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    punkdoc said:
    Sorry @steveTu, but there is not a reason for viral mutation, it occurs because they reproduce very rapidly and the mechanism is very prone to errors. Mutations may or may not be useful to the virus.
    Same is true in any mutation, it is a random process and it is luck, or magic whether it is beneficial.
    Thanks @punkdoc ... that's exactly what I wanted to know 🙏   :D

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  • JennyJJennyJ Posts: 10,576
    Perfect sense, thanks @punkdoc .
    punkdoc said:
    The COVID virus mutates much slower than influenza or HIV.
    This is somewhat reassuring.

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  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    I beg to differ on that.
    There's a reason for everything - a cause - just because as yet it hasn't been analysed and understood, doesn't mean it's not there. Randomness and chaos is just a lack of understanding.
    That is my problem with science - it's always stated as if it's final. But the more science learns, the more science has to know. Standing on the shoulders of giants meant two things - that the work couldn't have been done without the work that went before - and - that the new work forms part of the giant, on whose shoulders someone else will stand.
    Science only ever knows what it knows at a point in time.
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  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039
    It actually appears that the COVID virus makes an enzyme that stops it mutating
    How can you lie there and think of England
    When you don't even know who's in the team

    S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039
    We will have to disagree then @steveTu, but I have no idea why there has to be a reason, randomness is perfectly acceptable, and viruses are incredibly simple.
    How can you lie there and think of England
    When you don't even know who's in the team

    S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
  • B3B3 Posts: 27,505
    Looks like that enzyme could be  useful in the battle  if it could be isolated and/or reproduced 
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  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    Now my weird brain is exposed....!
    Because all science is is the study of cause and effect. Science documents cause and effect. And so far, nothing is outside of cause and effect.
    If you take a bit of spume blowing on the wind at the beach on a windy day - it looks totally random. But it isn't - if you know all the forces and the masses the spume moves completely logically and you can event chart it's path.
    If there are things outside of cause and effect - then give up now on the Covid models, weatherforecasting, Einstein, the hunt for the Higgs boson - if randomness occurs why only at virus level - why not at planetary, galaxy, universe. But law appears to exist eh? And what at first appears to be random is in the end explained by cause and effect. All is law. The atom was a mystery - electricity to a person in the middle ages would have been magic (do you remember Catweazle?) - but it's no more magic than how babies are made to someone alive today. We may not understand the apparent randomness of mutations, but someone will at some stage.

    At one time I thought that G_d or god or some form of creator had to exist because of this 'law'. I saw/see law in everything - not randomness - so saw that as an act of creation. We can only explain because of law. I saw something that was created with law. But I hadn't fully understood infinity.

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  • B3B3 Posts: 27,505
    edited July 2021
    Are you saying that nothing can happen by chance?
    The virus doesn't think, plan or seek out which individual of the billions available to reproduce with, it just goes for whatever is convenient. The successful joining can produce a mutation or not. The mutation could be beneficial or not and if course there would be a reason . This could happen whether there is one partner available or millions.
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