There are far too many people in the UK not taking this pandemic seriously and not taking basic precautions to protect themselves and others.
Locally, being a holiday destination, rates soared from 38 per 100,000 to over 300 over the two week half term holiday as second homers and chalet owners and renters flocked to the coast or deposited their offspring with grand-parents for the break so we are now back to wearing masks for social and public events. They have been required in shops and public transport and spaces since the first lockdown..
I absolutely believe that vaccinations should be mandatory in certain professions and occupations and anyone who can't have them for health reasons should be looking for a safer job that doesn't expose them to risk of infection. Anyone refusing vaccines in the face of all the evidence is unfit to care for others.
Current infection rates in the UK are over 5 times higher than in France. Possum has just spent a long weekend in Edinburgh with a Belgian friend and both were shocked at the numbers of people in shops, public transport and spaces not wearing masks. Since Sunday, Belgium has red-listed the UK requiring quarantine and double testing. I expect France to follow if it hasn't already.
Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
I think enough time has been given for people to be vaccinated, which it maybe had not happened before, people have now been warned, so the potential penalty should now be considered. I don't have any say on when, but the sooner the better. Microchips were supposed to signify that there is not a good reason not to be vaccinated, so it must be the microchip theory.
How can you lie there and think of England When you don't even know who's in the team
Can I be a pain and ask a couple more questions then? - I am not having a go, just trying to clarify what I think I know - as my Covid briefing source has dried up.
1) How many covid (or flu) cases emanate from Hospital and care and were traced back to an NHS/Care staff member?
2) At what point of efficacy and infectiousness does it become effective to mandatorily vaccinate ALL NHS and care staff against whatever disease? If 1000 people die because they caught an illness from an NHS/care worker is that acceptable? And how common then is Hep B on the Flu scale? IE why hep b, bit not flu?
3) I thought that vaccinated people can still contract and shed the disease - and that what was being reflected recently in the numbers was this. IE a large proportion of hospital admissions for Covid are amongst the double vaccinated cohort. Covid shows fewer symptoms in vaccinated people and can also then be contracted - or appear to be - asymptomatic(ally). So vaccination can't supplant testing can it? Surely whether vaccinated or not, the care and NHS staff still have to be tested daily - as that's the only sure(r) way of detecting the disease? Have I got this wrong?
I wish Whitty, Valance, JVT et al were back - they were being asked these questions daily and were a great source of info.
And don't get me wrong - I'm totally for the whole world being vaccinated. I don't think microchips are involved. BUT I do think that I should - in general - be in charge of medical procedures applied to my body. That is my dilemma.
You are in charge of them @steveTu ... you have (presumably) chosen not to work in a hospital or care home or with the vulnerable ... you don't have to go to nightclubs or other such places of entertainment where you might need to show a Covid passport ... again that is your choice. If the society you are part of makes even more rules about activities that can only be accessed by the fully vaccinated, you have the choice to take part in those activities or not. No one is going to stop you from staying at home ... that is your choice.
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And don't get me wrong - I'm totally for the whole world being vaccinated. I don't think microchips are involved. BUT I do think that I should - in general - be in charge of medical procedures applied to my body. That is my dilemma.
A quote from twitter.. not that I'm endorsing or condemning but interesting to get views from the frontline..
Thanks for clapping me at 8pm every Thursday in 2020 but now having worked throughout the pandemic with no time off sick - I’m seen as scum because I choose not to be vaccinated. However, I’m still safe to treat patients for the next 5 months until I’m fired. Not about a virus.
BUT I do think that I should - in general - be in charge of medical procedures applied to my body. That is my dilemma.
Maybe a pandemic might be a good exception to that rule for certain career choices? When the choices one makes for their own body will impact the bodies of others, due to it being a highly infractions disease?
Your choice to get your gall bladder removed, a knee replaces, or a heart valve repaired is up to you and won't have a health impact on anyone else.. where as if you work with immune compromised individuals closely, your 'choice' not to get a vaccine will impact their health directly if you are infected and working.
That is such a slippery slope Dov. Hobson's choice is no choice.
'...1 : an apparently free choice when there is no real alternative. 2 : the necessity of accepting one of two or more equally objectionable alternatives....'
What are the stats showing on hospitalizations then? Aren't they mainly double jabbed people now? Is this then not 'true' - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59077036. So, if double jabbed people can spread the virus within a household, isn't that as likely in hospital - given the number of comments here re the close contact in hospital?
Edited to add: Is this 'true' - from that article - talking of double jabbed transmission:
'...Even
if they have no or few symptoms, the chance of them transmitting the
virus to other unvaccinated housemates is about two in five, or 38%.
This drops to one in four, or 25%, if housemates are also fully vaccinated....'
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Locally, being a holiday destination, rates soared from 38 per 100,000 to over 300 over the two week half term holiday as second homers and chalet owners and renters flocked to the coast or deposited their offspring with grand-parents for the break so we are now back to wearing masks for social and public events. They have been required in shops and public transport and spaces since the first lockdown..
I absolutely believe that vaccinations should be mandatory in certain professions and occupations and anyone who can't have them for health reasons should be looking for a safer job that doesn't expose them to risk of infection. Anyone refusing vaccines in the face of all the evidence is unfit to care for others.
Current infection rates in the UK are over 5 times higher than in France. Possum has just spent a long weekend in Edinburgh with a Belgian friend and both were shocked at the numbers of people in shops, public transport and spaces not wearing masks. Since Sunday, Belgium has red-listed the UK requiring quarantine and double testing. I expect France to follow if it hasn't already.
I don't have any say on when, but the sooner the better.
Microchips were supposed to signify that there is not a good reason not to be vaccinated, so it must be the microchip theory.
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
Question 1 would I think be unanswerable.
Question2. Hepatitis B is a far more serious disease.
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
If the society you are part of makes even more rules about activities that can only be accessed by the fully vaccinated, you have the choice to take part in those activities or not.
No one is going to stop you from staying at home ... that is your choice.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
for info.. copied from the ONS.
Quite alot over a five year period..
Mortality statistics - underlying cause, sex and age
England and Wales
and Pneumonia
Source: ONS Crown Copyright Reserved
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