Certainly if my aged and vulnerable parents were still in a care home I would be insisting that everyone who came into contact with them in any way was fully vaccinated.
If the care homes were able to prevent visits from family during lockdown in order to protect their residents, then I would fully expect them to take all means available to them to continue to keep them as safe as possible. They have a Duty of Care to their residents which supercedes any matter of individual choice.
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Fair comment. It was just what I thought was a logical follow on from what you said about the cases rising in double jabbed people because their immunity was waning. And the gov follows the science - so presumably this current move was advised by the science. Hence the question whether booster jabs would be required - as the advice.
As for the second paragraph - that's what I don't follow. Isn't that statement 'true' for any location where people gather indoors? Why is that only true in th NHS/care - I follow the people are more at risk - but the issue's the same. In any such regular grouping the unvaccinated person puts themselves and others at risk don't they?
Do you know then, how many people enter hospital with negative covid and either develop covid during stay or leave hospital testing positive? Is that stat available?
If anyone is interested in following some statisticians, virologists and epidemiologists who crunch numbers and produce useful graphs on Covid, usually based on the statistics supplied by the Office of National Statistics, here are a few names from Twitter I have found to be sensible, knowledgeable, objective and reliable:
Having spent more time in a hospital in the last four months than anyone would wish for, I note the following.
Lots of signs up only allowing visiting under certain circumstances. This tends to be interpreted by ward managers as a Strictly No Visitors policy. I was in as a visitor under sufferance as it was thought my husband was end of life, and the consultant asked me to come in after a shocking case of medical negligence in A and E, which probably wouldn't have happened if I had been allowed to go in the ambulance. I spent several hours a day by his bedside in a side room. I saw two meltdowns by other patients who had only been in a week, who were desperate to see relatives. When he was transferred to a presurgical ward, I again got the "You can't come in here" because of Covid. Post op, in ICU I was allowed two visits a week for one hour, after a temp check, a covid test and getting togged up in PPE. After getting a third visit in, a nurse berated me for having more visits than allowed, and then had a go at my husband for the temerity of wanting to see his wife. She carried on like I was carrying the plague, I was apparently putting everyone on the ward and her staff at risk. At that point I lost it and put is a strongly worded complaint. I then had a conversation with a deputy matron along the following lines. I have been double jabbed. My husband has been double jabbed. Apart from very late night shopping at Tesco, wearing a mask, I have been nowhere except the hospital and socialised with no one. I travel to the hospital in a car that is not used by anyone else. I wear cotton trousers and t shirt that I bought especially for hospital visiting that go in the washer each night, get dettol laundry rinsed , and then tumble dried. I wear all clean clothes every single day. I am at less risk of carrying anything on to that ward that any of the myriad porters, physios, radiographers , cleaners that go home to a family, come in on the bus, and went to mablethorpe at the weekend and socialised with god knows who, and that is before anyone checks if they have been jabbed or not. This deputy matron then dropped out that as they have a signing in book for the wards, they found that apart from the nursing staff, they can have 80 accredited visitors that go from ward to ward. Meanwhile the "no visitors" policy is actually that they should be facilitating three visits a week, more if spaces are available, and that 12 bed ward had space for three visits per day, all visitors at different times. Of course if they had no visitors, there would have been no witnesses to the HCA that stood for an hour with her arms crossed, watching me on a quiet bank holiday weekend. Strangely I had the naive idea that all hospital staff treating my extremely vulnerable husband would be vaccinated.
No Visitors, no witnesses. Sod all to do with covid.
He has been home 5 weeks, having been "released into my care" Today was the first visit by a rehab nurse to check that everything was OK. Her blood pressure machine didn't work and her thermometer was broken. She asked if he was feeling depressed. The deer put in an appearance and walked across the lawn.
Meanwhile I had a higher toilet put in, grab rails everywhere. , an extra bannister on the stairs, and a step with a handle for the bath. We have obtained a rise n recline chair, a wheelchair as well as the zimmer frame he was sent home from hospital with, and I arranged for private physio each day. Good job someone is proactive.
I have covid boosters booked for beginning of December.
Sorry this should probably have gone on the curmudgeons thread. I thought 2020 was bad. 2021 has been far worse.
As I wrote to the chief exec, he is a patient , not a prisoner. I seem more able to do a risk assessment than the nurse who demanded that his ipad be quarantined for 48 hours. Common sense seems to have gone out of the window. If I hadn't gone in at 8am , I wouldn't have seen his breakfast plonked at the side of him with a cup of tea an hour earlier, and left despite the fact that at that point he was paralysed from the neck down. What is the point of having no visitors, if all the staff have not been vaccinated. Walking patients were frequently seen outside the wards, all the way down to the car park, so they could see relatives. I even saw someone having a birthday party, with the patient still attached to a drip, complete with a balloon attached, next to the car park. I blagged the first six weeks, from being called in by a consultant as he wasn't expected to survive the day. I told the nurses the consultants had agreed it, and the consultants who expressed surprise at me being there, I told the nurses had agreed it. The consultant did say it was a good job I was there, as I was the only one who knew the full story of what had happened, and could fill in the gaps. As they don't seem to talk to each other, I got away with it for six weeks.
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If the care homes were able to prevent visits from family during lockdown in order to protect their residents, then I would fully expect them to take all means available to them to continue to keep them as safe as possible. They have a Duty of Care to their residents which supercedes any matter of individual choice.
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I salute you.
I wrote more and deleted it as inadequate to express my sincere admiration for you.
Stay strong, and best wishes to you both.
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